Re: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs

[Paul Viapiano <viapiano@pacbell.net>]

YES!

She shoots, she scores!!!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs


> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, SteveS wrote:
>
> > Don't understand this, and all the time I thought you were senior in this 
> > game, Judy :)
> >
> > Imogene Cunningham was a chemist, majored in the university including the 
> > Sorbone, minor in boteny (hense the flower pics); Stichen commanded piro 
> > into the military where he did the chemistry on board ship . . . Morley 
> > Baer was one of his supbordinates; and Stlieglitz was one of the 
> > labratory pioneers of color processes.
> Listen Steve S., if yr gonna lecture me on details of history, could you 
> kindly try to get it right?  I mean....
>
> boteny !!! (yuck !!)
>
> hense !! Ow, ow ow  !!
>
> Stichen !!! Oh dear lord !
>
> Sorbone... some kind of disease, with backaches?
>
> supbordinates :  ouch ouch ouch (unless that's a new kind of drink???)
>
> piro: What's that... a California dance?
>
> > Where you been girl?  Library's down to the left and uptown 'bout a dozen 
> > blocks.
> Oh my dear boy, if yr telling me 'bout "the library uptown 'bout a dozen 
> blocks" -- I don't know what kind of library they have in podunk, but if 
> you mean the NY Public Library, that's more than 40 blocks, or 2 miles, 
> uptown from here and east about 4 avenue blocks -- equal to 12 street 
> blocks. But anyway, so what?
>
> You have both a dictionary for spelling regular words & a photo history 
> for spelling Steichen, et al, half a room or 10 steps away.  For all the 
> good it did you.
>
> Also, my dear, one of the reasons I know so much is that I can prioritize. 
> I'd never been in a darkroom before I was 48 years old, but before then 
> knew (from reading, among other activities) how to spell "hence," a few 
> facts and blessings of "botany," and that not even I could pronounce 
> "Stlieglitz."  I daresay I've read the bios of lots of photogs, including 
> Cunningham, who sat her hubby (or was it her son?) on a cake of ice (a 
> provocative thought either way), tho the fact that Cunningham was a 
> chemist seens irrelevant. In fact I'd guess that chemists did NOT believe 
> that real men put their naked hands in the soup:  They knew better.
>
> PS.  One of my best early works in photography was a solarized dye 
> transfer of a bouquet of flowers... Did I have to know their brand names? 
> So call them asters.
>
> love & kisses,
>
> Judy
>
> > S. Shapiro
> >
> > PS
> > Cunningham printed for Curtis . . . those orotypes of Indians.  She 
> > inspired/invented the curtistype of brass instead of gold .
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs
> >
> >
> > > What I'm wondering is.... did folks like Stieglitz, Steichen and Imogene 
> > > Cunningham do their own darkroom work?  I'm also thinking fame may have 
> > > been more likely for those with a long life... they not only lived to do 
> > > their "mature work," they were around to hustle it. (I also know folks 
> > > who printed for famous photographers, for instance, for Helen Levitt--  
> > > and where the printing process isn't part of the image [as in "alt" & 
> > > maybe sometimes even then], I'd count that a consumation devoutly to be 
> > > wished.)
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, the only name that came to mind right off for early death was 
> > > Gary Winogrand (and that only because photography's best sneerer, AD 
> > > Coleman, sneered at him in one of his books for having left -- hundreds? 
> > > thousands? -- of rolls of exposed film unexamined at his death)... 
> > > Winogrand was 56.
> > >
> > > In any event, I doubt that the figure about increased cancer among 
> > > photographers was baseless...  Tho now that I think of it, a friend of 
> > > mine took David Vestal's class in fine printing at Pratt.... I'll check 
> > > with her about his stand on hands-in ... & also check his books to see 
> > > if there's a caveat.
> > >
> > > I also point out that I never in my life had a sign of allergy of *any* 
> > > kind -- not hay fever, not ragweed, not bee stings, let alone bananas 
> > > and chocolate that torture me today (sob!). I suppose, therefore, that 
> > > it was the years of intimate contact with turpentine in a closed room 
> > > that brought it on...  I also note that in a painting class in those 
> > > days (maybe still today ?) before acrylics, each student had a butcher 
> > > tray of oil paints squeezed out and mixed in the center, that is, about 
> > > 25 trays sloshing with turpentine in a closed classroom..  Any "fine 
> > > art" student was likely to have had several such classes, as did I.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Joseph Smigiel wrote:
> > >
> > > > Imogen Cunningham at  93 died the same day as Minor White on June 24, 
> > > > 1976. Perhaps Imogen used tongs.
> > > >
> > > > Joe