RE: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs
I do not know much about Imigene Cunningham and her relation to botany, but
I knew Morley Baer very well. Morley was an architectural photographer who
had a rough time making a living because, at the time, religious prejudice
was rampant. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Seigel [mailto:jseigel@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:10 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, SteveS wrote:
> Don't understand this, and all the time I thought you were senior in this
> game, Judy :)
>
> Imogene Cunningham was a chemist, majored in the university including the
> Sorbone, minor in boteny (hense the flower pics); Stichen commanded piro
into
> the military where he did the chemistry on board ship . . . Morley Baer
was
> one of his supbordinates; and Stlieglitz was one of the labratory pioneers
of
> color processes.
Listen Steve S., if yr gonna lecture me on details of history, could you
kindly try to get it right? I mean....
boteny !!! (yuck !!)
hense !! Ow, ow ow !!
Stichen !!! Oh dear lord !
Sorbone... some kind of disease, with backaches?
supbordinates : ouch ouch ouch (unless that's a new kind of drink???)
piro: What's that... a California dance?
> Where you been girl? Library's down to the left and uptown 'bout a dozen
> blocks.
Oh my dear boy, if yr telling me 'bout "the library uptown 'bout a dozen
blocks" -- I don't know what kind of library they have in podunk, but if
you mean the NY Public Library, that's more than 40 blocks, or 2 miles,
uptown from here and east about 4 avenue blocks -- equal to 12 street
blocks. But anyway, so what?
You have both a dictionary for spelling regular words & a photo history
for spelling Steichen, et al, half a room or 10 steps away. For all the
good it did you.
Also, my dear, one of the reasons I know so much is that I can prioritize.
I'd never been in a darkroom before I was 48 years old, but before then
knew (from reading, among other activities) how to spell "hence," a few
facts and blessings of "botany," and that not even I could pronounce
"Stlieglitz." I daresay I've read the bios of lots of photogs, including
Cunningham, who sat her hubby (or was it her son?) on a cake of ice (a
provocative thought either way), tho the fact that Cunningham was a
chemist seens irrelevant. In fact I'd guess that chemists did NOT believe
that real men put their naked hands in the soup: They knew better.
PS. One of my best early works in photography was a solarized dye
transfer of a bouquet of flowers... Did I have to know their brand names?
So call them asters.
love & kisses,
Judy
> S. Shapiro
>
> PS
> Cunningham printed for Curtis . . . those orotypes of Indians. She
> inspired/invented the curtistype of brass instead of gold .
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: black fingernails, et al, was Re: Paper - baby oil Digi Negs
>
>
>>
>> What I'm wondering is.... did folks like Stieglitz, Steichen and Imogene
>> Cunningham do their own darkroom work? I'm also thinking fame may have
>> been more likely for those with a long life... they not only lived to do
>> their "mature work," they were around to hustle it. (I also know folks
who
>> printed for famous photographers, for instance, for Helen Levitt-- and
>> where the printing process isn't part of the image [as in "alt" & maybe
>> sometimes even then], I'd count that a consumation devoutly to be
wished.)
>>
>> Meanwhile, the only name that came to mind right off for early death was
>> Gary Winogrand (and that only because photography's best sneerer, AD
>> Coleman, sneered at him in one of his books for having left -- hundreds?
>> thousands? -- of rolls of exposed film unexamined at his death)...
>> Winogrand was 56.
>>
>> In any event, I doubt that the figure about increased cancer among
>> photographers was baseless... Tho now that I think of it, a friend of
mine
>> took David Vestal's class in fine printing at Pratt.... I'll check with
her
>> about his stand on hands-in ... & also check his books to see if there's
a
>> caveat.
>>
>> I also point out that I never in my life had a sign of allergy of *any*
>> kind -- not hay fever, not ragweed, not bee stings, let alone bananas and
>> chocolate that torture me today (sob!). I suppose, therefore, that it was
>> the years of intimate contact with turpentine in a closed room that
brought
>> it on... I also note that in a painting class in those days (maybe still
>> today ?) before acrylics, each student had a butcher tray of oil paints
>> squeezed out and mixed in the center, that is, about 25 trays sloshing
with
>> turpentine in a closed classroom.. Any "fine art" student was likely to
>> have had several such classes, as did I.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Joseph Smigiel wrote:
>>
>>> Imogen Cunningham at 93 died the same day as Minor White on June 24,
>>> 1976. Perhaps Imogen used tongs.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>
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