[alt-photo] Re: Pt/Pd printing Video

[Keith Gerling]

Thanks, Paul!

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Paul Viapiano <viapiano at pacbell.net> wrote:

> I call bullshit on Mike Ware...
>
> If you care of stewardship for the land, you will make the small effort to
> bring your waste, however minute or dilute you may think it is, to a local
> toxic disposal center. Or you can always evaporate the water from a
> dichromated solution and make it easier to dispose of in a proper manner.
>
> Judy, I've heard you tell this stort before and I don't doubt it, but that
> type of cavalier attitude by the "captain" is exactly what's wrong with so
> many "experts".
>
> Be on the safe side, care about where you live, do the right thing. Period.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel at panix.com>
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> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Pt/Pd printing Video
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>
>> Aside from Diana's very cogent points is perhaps the fact that, presumably
>> at least, world supply of platinum is finite, perhaps diminished enough to
>> justify the cost....  Then think how much of the remaining supply gets
>> flushed down the drain in making a print.  (Does anyone feel guilty yet???)
>> And what if it's a really STUPID print?  (OK, I won't go there.)
>>
>> As I understand it, dichromate, on the other hand, is made from plentiful
>> chemicals... The evil there, of course, is poisoning by way of the runoff
>> water... Tho I recall Mike Ware's explanation that in a large body of water,
>> the dichromate breaks down into a relatively harmless 3rd party of some
>> sort, and I was assured by the water department in NYC that the amounts I
>> (and all my students at the time) used were trivial (he actually laughed) --
>> in a city where 7 million (or like that) toilets flush every minute.
>>
>> (The "captain" asked how much we used, I estimated that my students and I
>> probably used maybe a pound a year... He said, as I recall, that they're
>> dealing with air conditioning systems that use something like a pound every
>> 45 minutes.)
>>
>> Where chemicals of this order would be quite serious, though, would
>> presumably be in small towns that have private ... I forget what you call
>> them: a cistern is a private well of water, the thing I'm forgetting is the
>> private waste water pit. Cess pool?  (We had one of those in the house I was
>> born in on Long Island... but I wasn't doing gum at the time.)
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Diana Bloomfield wrote:
>>
>>  Well, I think beginners probably should shy away from the process.  I do
>>> think pt/pd is an inordinately expensive process, and not all that
>>> satisfying, really (for me, anyway).  I stopped platinum printing, for the
>>> most part, because I never felt I could raise my prices enough to offset the
>>> costs, or to make it worth my while.  I also found most people (unless
>>> knowledgeable photographers or collectors) didn't really care about whether
>>> something was a platinum print or not, and had no idea what you were talking
>>> about when you said it was a platinum print.  You can educate people, of
>>> course, but in the end-- honestly-- I don't think anybody much cares. I've
>>> printed some of my same images in other processes, and no one was ever put
>>> off that it wasn't a platinum print. Maybe it was my printing ability (or
>>> lack of?), but I think people mostly appreciated the other processes more.
>>> It really is expensive, and heaven forbid if you're prone to making
>>> mistakes. Not that I am, of course, but I have heard that people do--you
>>> know-- make mistakes.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>>
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