[alt-photo] Re: Alt-photo-process-list Digest, Vol 324, Issue 1
Susan Huber
shuber1 at telus.net
Sat Dec 25 16:36:16 GMT 2010
Hi Eric,
I think Katherine and Paul are right the paper that I used was Fab. Art. and it needed a lot more Oxalic acid treatment and for more time before I could work it... and in the ten sheets I treated there would be two or three that showed those ? clumping aggregates substances in the paper.
PS- you shouldn't have to pay to return the paper- ask for a return sticker from them.. stick to your pistols!
Susan
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> 2. Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw? (Katharine Thayer)
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> 4. Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw? (Paul Viapiano)
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> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:28:52 -0800
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> Hi Eric,
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> For what is worth, I am no expert... but; I had the same problem with the Fabiano Artistico paper when I soaked it in Oxalic Acid... there seemed to be " clumping" of some type of aggregates in the paper or on top...I finally gave up and started using Arches Platine and have had no problems... Fabiano is accessible to me here, Arches has to be ordered from B and S. Now, it appears that Platine is being "retooled" according to B and S...
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> let us know what it could be,
>
> Susan
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:02:06 -0600
>> From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
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>> Subject: [alt-photo] Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to make
>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel Smith and
>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the coating is
>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good lot number
>> to share?
>>
>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>
>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>
>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>
>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>
>>
>> Eric Neilsen
>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>> 214-827-8301
>>
>> Let's Talk Photography
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:04:54 -0800
> From: Katharine Thayer <kthayer at pacifier.com>
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> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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> Hi Eric,
> If I remember right, the company that owned Rising mills closed the
> mills in 2007, and the brands (Rising and Stonehenge) were acquired
> by a distributor named Legion. Legion doesn't manufacture the paper
> themselves but farms out the papermaking to several different mills.
> One might suspect that this way of doing business could possibly
> lead to some imprecision in quality control.
>
> Katharine
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to
>> make
>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel
>> Smith and
>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the
>> coating is
>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good
>> lot number
>> to share?
>>
>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>
>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>
>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>
>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>
>>
>> Eric Neilsen
>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>> 214-827-8301
>>
>> Let's Talk Photography
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:37:41 -0600
> From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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> Maybe. My stash is pre 2007 and the latest is from Daniel Smith this past
> week. They want me to pay for the return of bad paper to boot.
>
> Eric Neilsen
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 214-827-8301
>
> Let's Talk Photography
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
> SKYPE ejprinter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
> Katharine Thayer
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:05 AM
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>
> Hi Eric,
> If I remember right, the company that owned Rising mills closed the
> mills in 2007, and the brands (Rising and Stonehenge) were acquired
> by a distributor named Legion. Legion doesn't manufacture the paper
> themselves but farms out the papermaking to several different mills.
> One might suspect that this way of doing business could possibly
> lead to some imprecision in quality control.
>
> Katharine
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to
>> make
>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel
>> Smith and
>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the
>> coating is
>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good
>> lot number
>> to share?
>>
>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>
>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>
>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>
>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>
>>
>> Eric Neilsen
>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>> 214-827-8301
>>
>> Let's Talk Photography
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:04:42 -0800
> From: "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net>
> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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> Yes, my latest batch is from DS as well, bought in late spring of 2010.
>
> It needed much more acidification than any paper previously, about 8% for
> 15-20 min if I recall. I'll check my notes...
>
> Without the heavy acidification, I had the same results as you have shown...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:37 AM
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>
>
>> Maybe. My stash is pre 2007 and the latest is from Daniel Smith this past
>> week. They want me to pay for the return of bad paper to boot.
>>
>> Eric Neilsen
>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>> 214-827-8301
>>
>> Let's Talk Photography
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Katharine Thayer
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:05 AM
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>> If I remember right, the company that owned Rising mills closed the
>> mills in 2007, and the brands (Rising and Stonehenge) were acquired
>> by a distributor named Legion. Legion doesn't manufacture the paper
>> themselves but farms out the papermaking to several different mills.
>> One might suspect that this way of doing business could possibly
>> lead to some imprecision in quality control.
>>
>> Katharine
>>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
>>
>>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to
>>> make
>>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel
>>> Smith and
>>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the
>>> coating is
>>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good
>>> lot number
>>> to share?
>>>
>>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>>
>>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>>
>>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>>
>>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Neilsen
>>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>>> Dallas, TX 75226
>>> 214-827-8301
>>>
>>> Let's Talk Photography
>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:56:26 -0600
> From: "EJ Photo" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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> thanks ever so much for the input. At least I'll be able to make it work if
> the next batch is the SOS. I tried to give my good lot number to the
> customer service person, and she just didn't want to hear it. I was
> flabbergasted. At least take the number and maybe , just maybe they might
> use it. Don't take it, and the guy in the warehouse have NO chance.
>
> I'll let you know what happens when it shows up.
>
> Eric Neilsen
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
> skype me with ejprinter
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1
> Let's Talk Photography
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
> Paul Viapiano
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 1:05 PM
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>
> Yes, my latest batch is from DS as well, bought in late spring of 2010.
>
> It needed much more acidification than any paper previously, about 8% for
> 15-20 min if I recall. I'll check my notes...
>
> Without the heavy acidification, I had the same results as you have shown...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:37 AM
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>
>
>> Maybe. My stash is pre 2007 and the latest is from Daniel Smith this past
>> week. They want me to pay for the return of bad paper to boot.
>>
>> Eric Neilsen
>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>> 214-827-8301
>>
>> Let's Talk Photography
>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Katharine Thayer
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:05 AM
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>> If I remember right, the company that owned Rising mills closed the
>> mills in 2007, and the brands (Rising and Stonehenge) were acquired
>> by a distributor named Legion. Legion doesn't manufacture the paper
>> themselves but farms out the papermaking to several different mills.
>> One might suspect that this way of doing business could possibly
>> lead to some imprecision in quality control.
>>
>> Katharine
>>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
>>
>>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to
>>> make
>>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel
>>> Smith and
>>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the
>>> coating is
>>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good
>>> lot number
>>> to share?
>>>
>>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>>
>>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>>
>>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>>
>>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Neilsen
>>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>>> Dallas, TX 75226
>>> 214-827-8301
>>>
>>> Let's Talk Photography
>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:16:14 -0800
> From: "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net>
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> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
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> Just to clarify, the paper I was commenting on was Fabriano EW, basically
> responding to Susan's comment...
>
> Paul
> Merry Christmas, everyone!!!
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net>
> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:04 AM
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>
>
>> Yes, my latest batch is from DS as well, bought in late spring of 2010.
>>
>> It needed much more acidification than any paper previously, about 8% for
>> 15-20 min if I recall. I'll check my notes...
>>
>> Without the heavy acidification, I had the same results as you have
>> shown...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:37 AM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>>
>>
>>> Maybe. My stash is pre 2007 and the latest is from Daniel Smith this past
>>> week. They want me to pay for the return of bad paper to boot.
>>>
>>> Eric Neilsen
>>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>>> Dallas, TX 75226
>>> 214-827-8301
>>>
>>> Let's Talk Photography
>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Katharine Thayer
>>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:05 AM
>>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Rising Stonehenge Flaw?
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> If I remember right, the company that owned Rising mills closed the
>>> mills in 2007, and the brands (Rising and Stonehenge) were acquired
>>> by a distributor named Legion. Legion doesn't manufacture the paper
>>> themselves but farms out the papermaking to several different mills.
>>> One might suspect that this way of doing business could possibly
>>> lead to some imprecision in quality control.
>>>
>>> Katharine
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been printing from a stash of 22x30 paper and have a need to
>>>> make
>>>> bigger prints; 24 x30. I ordered up some 30x44 paper from Daniel
>>>> Smith and
>>>> it has like a waffer board flake issue. Throughout the paper the
>>>> coating is
>>>> soaking in unevenly. Anyone else using this paper and have a good
>>>> lot number
>>>> to share?
>>>>
>>>> This is the 245 gm/m2 White.
>>>>
>>>> Posted a sample of image - still wet in tray
>>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/plat_stone/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Three shots - close up with and without areas circled in orange.
>>>>
>>>> It also seemed to be a bit more absorbent than I was counting on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Neilsen
>>>> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>>>> Dallas, TX 75226
>>>> 214-827-8301
>>>>
>>>> Let's Talk Photography
>>>> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>>>> SKYPE ejprinter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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