[alt-photo] Re: Paper Negatives

[Paul Viapiano]

Diana...

Yes, absolutely correct re the intensity. I was using a more dilute color 
mixture for those. But...I haven't really tried another tricolor on it with 
a heavier mixture. And I should mention that these all have a layer of 
Gamblin PVA Size somewhere in between the color layers. usually before the 
final blue layer, as these were printed yellow, red and then blue.

Also, my Rives is an older vintage, maybe 5-7 years old that was given to me 
by my mother-in-law, a printmaker.

Gotta run...will check in later.

Thanks all...

Paul



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diana Bloomfield" <dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net>
To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list" 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:28 AM
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Paper Negatives


> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks for showing those images; that's a really interesting  comparison. 
> I like both.  The relative softness (on the Rives) seems  to work well for 
> those particular images.   I use Rives for gum  printing, and it's 
> actually my favorite paper.  More than the clarity  difference, though, 
> the difference in color intensity in your images  was notable between the 
> 2 papers.  So I'm curious-- was that a  deliberate choice, or just what 
> you're getting on the Rives, with the  paper negatives, compared to the 
> Fabriano?   I'm wondering if they had  the same color intensity, if the 
> softness difference might not be so  notable?
>
> I understand the appeal (I think) of making those negatives the 
> "traditional"  way, but I absolutely abhorred that entire process. 
> Again, though, I just never enjoyed working in a darkroom.  It's 
> astonishing I stayed with photography, I guess.  I used to ruin a lot  of 
> negatives, too, with alt processes-- which doesn't happen so much 
> anymore-- but if it does, I do like the idea that I can easily make 
> another one.  Maybe I just have a lazy streak in me.
>
> Diana
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 12:35 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>
>> Diana,
>>
>> I learned to make traditionally enlarged negs on APHS film and had  great 
>> results, although as you mention, it can be very tedious. I  loved the 
>> results though and still believe it to be the best for  sharpness and 
>> clarity on hot press watercolor paper. I'm looking  forward to going back 
>> to working with them in larger sizes to master  the process (or maybe I'm 
>> just a darkroom masochist). I feel I can  learn a lot by working this 
>> way, but I won't abandon digital negs.
>>
>> The recent Irving Penn Small Trades show at the Getty Museum showed  his 
>> amazing platinum prints, of course using traditionally enlarged  negs. 
>> They were breathtaking in their clarity and tone. Penn, as  many of you 
>> know, not only used enlarged negatives but sometimes  several different 
>> ones for different areas of tonality in the same  print. What a show!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
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