[alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity

Christina Anderson zphoto at montana.net
Mon Jan 11 17:02:32 GMT 2010 

Paul,
What is really strange is I have never had any problems with argyrotype but VDB is a different story entirely.  Grayed, faded, several months later big yellow spots all over...argyrotypes are fine.  So I'll let you know how it goes!

I also made my own solution at that time--didn't buy it premixed.

I also never used it with FAEW but with vellum and Platine and BFK.
Chris

Christina Z. Anderson
christinaZanderson.com

On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:

> I say ar-jeer'-o-type
> 
> And talk about picayune processes. Argys can be a big disappointment. Supposedly the buzz issue is: paper, paper, paper...but I find it way more difficult to get a decent image than pt/pd or dare I say, gum. There, I said it.
> 
> Sam's tip made all the difference and the only place I've heard about it was here, from Sam himself. Add one part water to your coating mix and many problems will resolve inlcuding bleeding, etc...and try to tone it before the very weak fixer (2% sod thio).
> 
> But, paper is the thing. Fab EW works well after an acid soak, same deal as pt/pd.
> 
> Good luck...let us know how it turns out.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cunningham" <trevor at chalkjockeys.com>
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> 
> 
>> there's gyrospcope...and then there's gyro, from the greek (purposely ignoring the Cyrillic reality here), that has more of a gyuh sound
>> 
>> Christina Anderson wrote:
>>> Hmmm....this is interesting.
>>> 
>>> I mean, there is "gyrate" as in ji-rate and we don't say guyrate or gheerate so that is the rub.  But you may be correct.
>>> 
>>> I would feel bad mispronouncing it all semester :)
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 8:39 AM, John Brewer wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Chris,
>>>> 
>>>> I think I saw somewhere the pronunciation of gy in Argyrotype was 'guy' tho
>>>> I can't remember the source, James maybe?
>>>> 
>>>> John.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>>>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Christina Anderson
>>>> Sent: 11 January 2010 15:19
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>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity
>>>> 
>>>> Sam,
>>>> I've gotten purple spots with traditional but NOTHING like the gross purple
>>>> fog that happened with Ware's. This was definitely not the wet issue that I
>>>> have seen on my and student work.  It is like an overall haze of mid-shade
>>>> lavender.
>>>> 
>>>> This semester I am having my alt class do cyanotype, argyrotype instead of
>>>> VDB, gum, and pt/pd...I thought I'd switch to argyrotype for a while. It
>>>> starts in 2 days...
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know HOW to pronounce argyrotype---is it ar JI ro type as in HI
>>>> or ar ghee ro type or ar jee ro type???
>>>> 
>>>> It is very cold here--but not as cold as Florida :)  It is about 10 degrees
>>>> right now and dry dry dry so it beat Florida's 34 humidity.  I can't believe
>>>> I went to Florida and never wore a bathingsuit. OR got a tan.
>>>> 
>>>> But I did get LOTS of work done!!! And some excellent time management books,
>>>> too, to start the new year right.
>>>> 
>>>> One tip of which is the two minute rule--if it is a two-minute task, do it
>>>> now.
>>>> Chris
>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 8:06 AM, sam wang wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you not gotten "purple fog" with the "cyanotype classic"? I have, and
>>>>> 
>>>> attribute it to paper not thoroughly dry when exposed. Or have you come
>>>> across a new bug?
>>>> 
>>>>> The pre-coated paper and cloth I received years ago from Blue Printables
>>>>> 
>>>> all had quite severe blue/green colors but as you said, all exposed and
>>>> developed with no problem.
>>>> 
>>>>> Sam
>>>>> PS: is it as cold and dry in Montana as it is in SC? Not easy to do any
>>>>> 
>>>> alt printing!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Christina Anderson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Earl,
>>>>>> Did you expose it?  I expose paper that turns blue-green (Fabriano
>>>>>> 
>>>> Artistico does that to me regularly) and it works just fine. It may be that
>>>> it is duller and lower contrast, though.
>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem with unsuitable paper and Ware's was that after exposure and
>>>>>> 
>>>> developing you will get a yukky purple fog in all the highlights that really
>>>> ruins the print.  But if you add citric acid to the Wares coating mix that
>>>> takes care of that.  1 or 2 drops of 40% citric acid to 1 ml sensitizer or 1
>>>> g. citric acid to 100ml solution.
>>>> 
>>>>>> But you won't know if you get yukky purple fog or dull/low contrast blue
>>>>>> 
>>>> until you expose and develop. At which point, use the citric.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Let us know.
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Earl and Patty Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am new to this list, but I recognize almost all of your names from
>>>>>>> 
>>>> other places. I hope that some of you can shed some light on my situation.
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Today I coated some Mike Ware formula new cyanotype on Arches Aquarelle
>>>>>>> 
>>>> grain satine, and it turned bluish/green before it even dried. I know that
>>>> this sensitizer is sensitive (pun intended) to paper chemistry, but I
>>>> expected this paper to work. Does anyone have experience with this
>>>> combination? Does the paper have an alkali buffer that can be neutralized
>>>> with a soak in something like citric acid solution before coating? Or is my
>>>> cyanotype solution bad and should be discarded? Or is this paper verboten
>>>> for new cyanotype?
>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like the Ware formula - I get six or seven more steps in the Stouffer
>>>>>>> 
>>>> wedge than I do with the traditional formula. However, it is frustrating to
>>>> coat it on expensive paper and see it fog spontaneously.
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for any comments.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Earl Johnson
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