[alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP largeformatnegatives

[francis schanberger]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the HP press release the first example of
a printer manufacturer actually getting invested in something we do?
Quadtone RIP and PDN are both designed by third parties the latter
specifically designed for creating ink jet negatives and the former being
designed primarily for black and white prints.

I am excited about the HP print release because it will force Epson to step
up their game. Additionally my school is looking at aquiring a new large
format HP printer to supplement our Epsons.

-francis

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Terry King <terryaking at aol.com> wrote:

> Loris
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> We have.
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> Terry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name>
> To: 'The alternative photographic processes mailing list' <
> alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:10
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP
> largeformatnegatives
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> I was just answering you, Terry... ???
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> Anyway, with pleasure, I like the practice much! But, in any case, I
> strongly suggest that you test it for yourself to see what you're going to
> get, "take no one's word for it".
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> Regards,
> Loris.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of
> Terry King
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP
> largeformatnegatives
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> Loris
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> Forget the jargon. Get on with the practice.
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> terry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loris Medici
> To: 'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:47
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP
> largeformatnegatives
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> Terry, send me a scan of an 256 step tablet cyanotype print made with an
> inkjet negative, to let me count the tones, if you dare!!! ;) (Or, better,
> try and see it for yourself...) OTOH, I repeat again; even 80-90 individual
> tones give pretty nice / beautiful results! (As you know already, by real
> life experience, naturally...) *I'm just talking about stretching
> theoretical limits here, nothing more*... I agree on the fact that we have
> very nice methods on hands, and all work well enough for getting the job
> done...
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> Regards,
> Loris.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of
> Terry King
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:19 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP
> largeformatnegatives
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> This correspondence is interesting but it appears to overlook that there
> are
> perfectly good and simple ways of making digital negatives already using ,
> for example, the Agfa back projection material and Epson printers and inks.
> These methods can produce fine gradations and ranges of tone that will
> exploit the full tonal potential of a platinum print, that is  from a
> negative with a tonal range of up to 2.4. See my articles in View Camera
> and
> AG  which demonstrate the tonal ranges for individual processes.
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> We have to remember, however, that unless HP software is designed to cope
> with individual processes, printers, inks and base materials it will offer
> no advantage over what we have already.
>
> Terry King
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name>
> To: 'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 8:55
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP large
> formatnegatives
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> We'll have to wait and see if they indeed provide a better solution. I
> definitely see further room for improvement; I currently can only get
> something like 80-90 individual tones with - relatively high contrast
> processes like - Cyanotype, which isn't bad at all! OTOH, I would
> definitely
> like to use more of the total/theoretical 256 tones potential - especially
> meaningful with smooth working processes like pt/pd. If they show up with a
> method that makes use more of the theoretical limit, I'd like to adopt it.
> In my understanding, currently, the cutting edge is method is Quadtone RIP
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> but it's hard to use/learn it + more importantly, it doesn't work with
> HPs... We "may" get more tones with no (or less drastic) curve adjustments,
> if ink laying / dithering (and such) is specifically controlled by the RIP,
> optimized for negative-making. (That's why I said "I definitely see further
> room for improvement" above..)
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> In any case, I should say that what I'm getting right now is OK, I'm happy
> with it - this is sort of (almost idle) pixel-peeping / nitpicking. We
> should really wait to see if there's really a considerable / significant
> improvement...
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> Regards,
> Loris.
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> P.S. I think Muñoz was/is using imagesetter negatives, but I'm not
> absolutely sure, just talking according to what I've seen in a low qualitu
> youtube video...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of
> Tomas Sobota
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:31 AM
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Official press release about HP large
> formatnegatives
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> The HP blurb says: "We're committed to helping professional photographers
> simplify and accelerate the process for producing, showcasing and archiving
> their art."
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> Wow, this sounds like Kodak all over again...
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> I wonder if they are addressing the wrong problem? Presumably most of us
> have the digital neg creation already under control, with the several
> existing methods such as Mark's PDN, Mike Ware's and others? I don't know
> what method does the Spanish photographer Isabel Muñoz use for her platinum
> prints, which are more than 1 meter square and beautiful, but she certainly
> did not have to wait for the HP "solution".
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> I also wonder if this will be creating false expectations in many people.
> Alt-photo is rather more than just the ability to create a large negative.
> What comes after is more difficult.
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> Tom Sobota
> Madrid, Spain
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