[alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions: learning

Thu Jul 22 14:19:27 GMT 2010

Well my initial point was lost it seems. I only meant that as I can't make 
pictures on a mailing list, maybe it's best just use this facility to learn.

Of course was speaking of learning in general. Not all information has a 
practical application that's immediately apparent. I'm greedy for info. 
There, I've said it.

Anyay, this is such a bizarre thing to be contested I can't be sure you're 
not having a bit of fun with me, so I promise no more on the matter from 
here.

Best,
Colin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry King" <terryaking at aol.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:43 AM
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions: learning

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> Colin
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> Even at that intermediate stage, unless you learn how to make pictures, 
> your learning about process will be incomplete as you will not be able to 
> assess the application of your knowledge.
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> Terry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin <colin at colinflanarygraham.com>
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list 
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 2:52
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
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> Pending approval let's just say my objective in learing is to learn.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <terryaking at aol.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:55 AM
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
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>> If one expresses oneself intelligibly to the intelligent reader, one is > 
>> far more likely to be able to communicate effectively. Jargon does not > 
>> help.
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>> It would be interesting to know Colin's objective in learning about the > 
>> process of making pictures.
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>> terry
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>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Colin <colin at colinflanarygraham.com>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list > 
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:22
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
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>> Loris, please never dumb-down your posts, I get enough of that from > 
>> American media.  Personally I don't come here to make pictures, but to > 
>> learn about the process of making pictures. To use intelligent language > 
>> associate with process isn't showing off, if anything it shows respect 
>> for > the intellect and curiosity of readers of this list.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loris Medici" 
>> <mail at loris.medici.name>
>> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'" > 
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:26 AM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
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>>> You're welcome Terry.
>>>
>>> BTW, to clarify / correct a misunderstanding: My workshop / private >> 
>>> lesson
>>> suggestion wasn't for chemistry at all, it was "specifically" about "how 
>>>  >>  > to
>>> to make the 'laypersons' understand the basic chemistry principles that 
>>>  >> we
>>> 'may' use in creating alt. process artwork"... This makes part of all my
>>> alt. process workshops - and I haven't a single "willing" participant >> 
>>> that
>>> didn't understand what I've teached to them, can't help the 
>>> (non-willing)
>>> others - I'm not Superman, in fact!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Loris.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: 
>>> alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of
>>> Terry King
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:07 PM
>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
>>>
>>> Dear Loris
>>>
>>> Thank you for the explanation which would  need further explanation on a
>>> workshop.  While I fully accept that an understanding of the chemistry 
>>> is
>>> important, remember that people have come to make pictures.
>>>
>>> Thank you too for the offer of a one to one explanation but I did look > 
>>>  >> into
>>> this when my daughter was doing her GCSEs in 1994.  I have not needed to 
>>>  >>  > use
>>> it since as the concept of percentage dilutions is more easily grasped.
>>>
>>> Useful background would be a list of molar concentrations for the > >> 
>>> different
>>> states of chemicals used in alt processes with a separate column 
>>> relating >>  > it
>>> to saturated solutions expressed in percentage terms. One could refer to
>>> this list if someone wants to know what the dilution should be when, for
>>> example,  only an anhydrous compound is available.   Is this something 
>>>  >> you
>>> would like to prepare for our benefit ?
>>>
>>> Would it be helpful though in deciding which of the four states of EDTA
>>> would be used in clearing a platinum print ?  As  I find that Willis's
>>> method using 1% HCl is more effective, this would only be of academic
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Loris Medici 
>>> <mail at loris.medici.name>
>>> To: 'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'
>>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 8:43
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
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>>>
>>> Molar concentration helps where there's more than one variant of the
>>> compound in the market, for instance, at various hydration states. E.g.
>>> citric acid = anhydrous / monohydrate, trisodium citrate = dihydrate /
>>> pentahydrate, oxalic acid = anhydrous / dihydrate, palladium chloride =
>>> anhydrous / dihydrate and so on... If you know the molarity (instead of 
>>>  > >> w/v
>>> %) of the solution(s) you want to mix, then you can use each and every
>>> variant of the compounds, by making a simple ratio calculation in order 
>>>  >> to
>>> learn the equivalent weight of the replacement variant. If you don't 
>>> know
>>> the molarity, you're bound to the "specific" variant the formula calls > 
>>>  >> for,
>>> and sometimes that's really a problem - when you can't find it for
>>> instance...
>>>
>>> I do also give workshops Terry, would you like to take few lessons (a
>>> private workshop) from me in this issue? (Explaining the principles to > 
>>>  >> music
>>> publishers and theology PhDs and such...) And that would be with the >> 
>>> added
>>> bonus of making visit to our beautiful Istanbul... ;) :P
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Loris.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: 
>>> alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of
>>> Terry King
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:32 AM
>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Try explaining to us what advantages ' .7 m '  offers over the 
>>> equivalent
>>> percentage solution figure, then imagine explaining the same thing, and 
>>>  > >> how
>>> you would measure it, to a workshop containing music publishers and > >> 
>>> theology
>>> PhDs who have come to make pictures.
>>>
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