[alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions: learning

Terry King terryaking at aol.com
Thu Jul 22 15:06:13 GMT 2010


Colin


I suppose it was the context that made it bizarre.


I was reminded of Leica collectors who say "Oh we don't take pictures with them dear boy'.


Terry





-----Original Message-----
From: Colin <colin at colinflanarygraham.com>
To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
Sent: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:19
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions: learning


Well my initial point was lost it seems. I only meant that as I can't make pictures on a mailing list, maybe it's best just use this facility to learn. 
 
Of course was speaking of learning in general. Not all information has a practical application that's immediately apparent. I'm greedy for info. There, I've said it. 
 
Anyay, this is such a bizarre thing to be contested I can't be sure you're not having a bit of fun with me, so I promise no more on the matter from here. 
 
Best, 
Colin 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <terryaking at aol.com> 
To: <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:43 AM 
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions: learning 
 
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> Colin 
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> Even at that intermediate stage, unless you learn how to make pictures, > your learning about process will be incomplete as you will not be able to > assess the application of your knowledge. 
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> Terry 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Colin <colin at colinflanarygraham.com> 
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list > <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
> Sent: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 2:52 
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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> Pending approval let's just say my objective in learing is to learn. 
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <terryaking at aol.com> 
> To: <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:55 AM 
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>> If one expresses oneself intelligibly to the intelligent reader, one is > >> far more likely to be able to communicate effectively. Jargon does not > >> help. 
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>> It would be interesting to know Colin's objective in learning about the > >> process of making pictures. 
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>> terry 
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>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Colin <colin at colinflanarygraham.com> 
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list > >> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
>> Sent: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:22 
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>> Loris, please never dumb-down your posts, I get enough of that from > >> American media.  Personally I don't come here to make pictures, but to > >> learn about the process of making pictures. To use intelligent language > >> associate with process isn't showing off, if anything it shows respect >> for > the intellect and curiosity of readers of this list. 
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loris Medici" >> <mail at loris.medici.name> 
>> To: "'The alternative photographic processes mailing list'" > >> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:26 AM 
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>>> You're welcome Terry. 
>>> 
>>> BTW, to clarify / correct a misunderstanding: My workshop / private >> >>> lesson 
>>> suggestion wasn't for chemistry at all, it was "specifically" about "how >>>  >>  > to 
>>> to make the 'laypersons' understand the basic chemistry principles that >>>  >> we 
>>> 'may' use in creating alt. process artwork"... This makes part of all my 
>>> alt. process workshops - and I haven't a single "willing" participant >> >>> that 
>>> didn't understand what I've teached to them, can't help the >>> (non-willing) 
>>> others - I'm not Superman, in fact! 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Loris. 
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>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: >>> alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of 
>>> Terry King 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:07 PM 
>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org 
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>>> Dear Loris 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the explanation which would  need further explanation on a 
>>> workshop.  While I fully accept that an understanding of the chemistry >>> is 
>>> important, remember that people have come to make pictures. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you too for the offer of a one to one explanation but I did look > >>>  >> into 
>>> this when my daughter was doing her GCSEs in 1994.  I have not needed to >>>  >>  > use 
>>> it since as the concept of percentage dilutions is more easily grasped. 
>>> 
>>> Useful background would be a list of molar concentrations for the > >> >>> different 
>>> states of chemicals used in alt processes with a separate column >>> relating >>  > it 
>>> to saturated solutions expressed in percentage terms. One could refer to 
>>> this list if someone wants to know what the dilution should be when, for 
>>> example,  only an anhydrous compound is available.   Is this something >>>  >> you 
>>> would like to prepare for our benefit ? 
>>> 
>>> Would it be helpful though in deciding which of the four states of EDTA 
>>> would be used in clearing a platinum print ?  As  I find that Willis's 
>>> method using 1% HCl is more effective, this would only be of academic 
>>> interest. 
>>> 
>>> Terry 
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>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Loris Medici >>> <mail at loris.medici.name> 
>>> To: 'The alternative photographic processes mailing list' 
>>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> 
>>> Sent: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 8:43 
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>>> Molar concentration helps where there's more than one variant of the 
>>> compound in the market, for instance, at various hydration states. E.g. 
>>> citric acid = anhydrous / monohydrate, trisodium citrate = dihydrate / 
>>> pentahydrate, oxalic acid = anhydrous / dihydrate, palladium chloride = 
>>> anhydrous / dihydrate and so on... If you know the molarity (instead of >>>  > >> w/v 
>>> %) of the solution(s) you want to mix, then you can use each and every 
>>> variant of the compounds, by making a simple ratio calculation in order >>>  >> to 
>>> learn the equivalent weight of the replacement variant. If you don't >>> know 
>>> the molarity, you're bound to the "specific" variant the formula calls > >>>  >> for, 
>>> and sometimes that's really a problem - when you can't find it for 
>>> instance... 
>>> 
>>> I do also give workshops Terry, would you like to take few lessons (a 
>>> private workshop) from me in this issue? (Explaining the principles to > >>>  >> music 
>>> publishers and theology PhDs and such...) And that would be with the >> >>> added 
>>> bonus of making visit to our beautiful Istanbul... ;) :P 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Loris. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: >>> alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org On Behalf Of 
>>> Terry King 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:32 AM 
>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org 
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Zia standard solutions 
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>>> ... 
>>> 
>>> Try explaining to us what advantages ' .7 m '  offers over the >>> equivalent 
>>> percentage solution figure, then imagine explaining the same thing, and >>>  > >> how 
>>> you would measure it, to a workshop containing music publishers and > >> >>> theology 
>>> PhDs who have come to make pictures. 
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