[alt-photo] Re: Alt-photo-process-list Digest, Vol 358, Issue 1
Christina Anderson
zphoto at montana.net
Sun Feb 13 17:56:18 GMT 2011
Oh Susan, these are priceless.
I know I shared this before on the list but we had an old crock pot/hot pot thing that one of the students used to heat water for alt. He/she (never confessed) left, and it was one that did not have a shutoff safety thing, and he/she burned the lab down, about $10,000 worth of repairs that our program had to pay :(
Two, in my old house I accidentally dripped am di down the wall. It does NOT come off, and even painted over it still shows. Tenacious.
Three, cyano chemistry is very light-colored and when it drips on carpet (which I unfortunately have in my dimroom) it will be blue forever.
Four, VDB and argyrotype both will stain sinks and bathtubs permanently.
Five, using vinegar in the cyano wash bath will plate beautiful blue everywhere.
Six, am di in a cup looks surprisingly like beer or Gatorade.
OK so now I have just added six full items to Paul's "DUH" column.
Chris
Christina Z. Anderson
christinaZanderson.com
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Susan Huber wrote:
> Hi All, here is something else to add, Christina... do not try to add the drops of any material such as; pd/pt while listening to loud, catchy music... you will forget to count and that is not good! Also, do not leave the tea kettle on to heat the water to provide a hot water jacket around the pt/pd developer and then go have lunch... you will have a humidity index that hit the roof , everything will be limp and your counter would be full of water! Also, watch how others wield a brush, my walls have spots all over them and I am not happy. Do not drink out of glasses in the dark- it may not be the tea you thought it was. Figure out the electrical load in your darkroom before turning on the humidifier, ceramic heater and the UVL unit... you will blow every socket there is... believe me , a darkroom is really dark.. always, have a flashlight available.
>
> that is all from the one who has done all these things,
>
> susan
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>> 1. Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET? (BOB KISS)
>> 2. Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET? (Ryan Thompson)
>> 3. pitfalls of alt (Christina Anderson)
>> 4. Re: pitfalls of alt (Mark Nelson)
>> 5. Re: pitfalls of alt (Christina Anderson)
>> 6. Re: pitfalls of alt (Paul Viapiano)
>> 7. Re: pitfalls of alt (Christina Anderson)
>> 8. Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET? (Judy Seigel)
>> 9. Re: pitfalls of alt (Jon Reid)
>> 10. Re: pitfalls of alt (Christina Anderson)
>> 11. Re: pitfalls of alt (francis schanberger)
>> 12. Re: pitfalls of alt (Christina Anderson)
>> 13. Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET? (Nelson Mark)
>> 14. Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET? (Paul Viapiano)
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>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:25:32 -0400
>> From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss at caribsurf.com>
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>> Thanks to all who have replied. I used Gicl?e for the label. Having been
>> an advertising photographer in NYC in a previous incarnation all I can say
>> is, "You can take the boy out of the city but you can't take the city out of
>> the boy".
>> CHEERS!
>> BOB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
>> Paul Viapiano
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:25 AM
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
>>
>> Sudek used the term "pigment print" as well...
>>
>> Maybe the best way is to educate the public about the nature of inkjet
>> printing and not hide from the term. I know, it's not a romantic term, but
>> things is what they is...even Irving Penn had a show a few years ago with
>> inkjets (at Pace, I believe).
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alberto Novo" <alt.list at albertonovo.it>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:12 PM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
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>>
>>>> I won't comment on the suggestion that some are trying to hide the fact
>>>> that their prints are made with an inkjet printer but, because there are
>>>> dye printers (which are generally less archival) and pigment printers
>>>> (which are generally more lasting), it is useful to the collector/gallery
>>
>>>> to know which type of inks were used in the print's production.
>>>
>>> In Italy we use both the term "pigment print" and "carbon print" for the
>>> true carbon prints, but someone who uses K3 inks often calls his prints
>>> "carbon prints" because of the nature of the inks, so increasing the
>>> confusion between the two (historic and contemporary) techniques.
>>> Perhaps "dye (or pigment) ink print" would be more honest clear.
>>> Alberto
>>> www.grupponamias.com
>>> www.alternativephotography.com/wp/photographers/rodolfo-namias-group
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>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:01:04 -0800
>> From: Ryan Thompson <mass at anteism.com>
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>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
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>> I had always thought that Gicl?e prints were done on a very high-end
>> colour calibrated inkjet - specifically an "Iris" (I think it was
>> called). I notice people printing out inkjet prints from their $69
>> Dell's and calling them gicl?e.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12-Feb-11, at 5:25 AM, BOB KISS wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to all who have replied. I used Gicl?e for the label.
>>> Having been
>>> an advertising photographer in NYC in a previous incarnation all I
>>> can say
>>> is, "You can take the boy out of the city but you can't take the
>>> city out of
>>> the boy".
>>> CHEERS!
>>> BOB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Paul Viapiano
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:25 AM
>>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
>>>
>>> Sudek used the term "pigment print" as well...
>>>
>>> Maybe the best way is to educate the public about the nature of inkjet
>>> printing and not hide from the term. I know, it's not a romantic
>>> term, but
>>> things is what they is...even Irving Penn had a show a few years ago
>>> with
>>> inkjets (at Pace, I believe).
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alberto Novo" <alt.list at albertonovo.it>
>>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:12 PM
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I won't comment on the suggestion that some are trying to hide the
>>>>> fact
>>>>> that their prints are made with an inkjet printer but, because
>>>>> there are
>>>>> dye printers (which are generally less archival) and pigment
>>>>> printers
>>>>> (which are generally more lasting), it is useful to the collector/
>>>>> gallery
>>>
>>>>> to know which type of inks were used in the print's production.
>>>>
>>>> In Italy we use both the term "pigment print" and "carbon print"
>>>> for the
>>>> true carbon prints, but someone who uses K3 inks often calls his
>>>> prints
>>>> "carbon prints" because of the nature of the inks, so increasing the
>>>> confusion between the two (historic and contemporary) techniques.
>>>> Perhaps "dye (or pigment) ink print" would be more honest clear.
>>>> Alberto
>>>> www.grupponamias.com
>>>> www.alternativephotography.com/wp/photographers/rodolfo-namias-group
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:25:24 -0700
>> From: Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: Alt List <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] pitfalls of alt
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>> Dear All,
>>
>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>
>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>
>> When I finish I will post.
>>
>> Here are some suggestions:
>>
>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>
>> banding in the digineg
>>
>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>
>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>
>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>
>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>
>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>
>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>
>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:23:14 -0600
>> From: Mark Nelson <ender100 at aol.com>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>> Message-ID: <8F370861-796D-4902-9BE4-DCD5667FFD72 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> How about a stack of paper you forgot to label and can't identify?
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>
>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>>
>>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>>
>>> When I finish I will post.
>>>
>>> Here are some suggestions:
>>>
>>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>>
>>> banding in the digineg
>>>
>>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>>
>>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>>
>>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>>
>>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>>
>>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>>
>>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>>
>>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:33:07 -0700
>> From: Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>> Message-ID: <2FC5C6BD-059D-4898-972A-E257D4B08828 at montana.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> OHMAGOSH Mark I've done that and did not think to include it!! Good point. Yeah, not all paper is watermarked.
>>
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> How about a stack of paper you forgot to label and can't identify?
>>>
>>> Mark Nelson
>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>>
>>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>>>
>>>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>>>
>>>> When I finish I will post.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some suggestions:
>>>>
>>>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>>>
>>>> banding in the digineg
>>>>
>>>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>>>
>>>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>>>
>>>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>>>
>>>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:52:31 -0800
>> From: "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
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>>
>> Well, I don't know that these are alt problems, rather like DUH problems.
>> We've all had them, though...
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Christina Anderson" <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:33 AM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>>
>>
>>> OHMAGOSH Mark I've done that and did not think to include it!! Good point.
>>> Yeah, not all paper is watermarked.
>>>
>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about a stack of paper you forgot to label and can't identify?
>>>>
>>>> Mark Nelson
>>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>>>
>>>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a
>>>>> presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of
>>>>> my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you
>>>>> think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so
>>>>> I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I finish I will post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some suggestions:
>>>>>
>>>>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>>>>
>>>>> banding in the digineg
>>>>>
>>>>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>>>>
>>>>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have
>>>>> staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But
>>>>> heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>>>>
>>>>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When
>>>>> is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to
>>>>> be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had
>>>>> never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have
>>>>> given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out
>>>>> the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of
>>>>> course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another
>>>>> faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>>>>
>>>>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty
>>>>> pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt
>>>>> part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent
>>>>> in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so
>>>>> inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:03:46 -0700
>> From: Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>> Message-ID: <BE0206D5-4F7D-4561-9DB4-C997E945E882 at montana.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Interesting distinction, Paul, that an alt problem like paper specificity or banding is probably not a "duh..." whereas, say, printing on the wrong side of OHP is something we should know better. But believe me, to beginning altees, all problems are problems, and if experienced altees are making them, too, it may not be so "duh." But I will go back over my list to date and see if I can separate the two.
>>
>> Personally, the Epson driver issues SHOULD be a DUH to Epson and Apple IMHO. I mean my gosh.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I don't know that these are alt problems, rather like DUH problems. We've all had them, though...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Anderson" <zphoto at montana.net>
>>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:33 AM
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>>>
>>>
>>>> OHMAGOSH Mark I've done that and did not think to include it!! Good point. Yeah, not all paper is watermarked.
>>>>
>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Nelson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about a stack of paper you forgot to label and can't identify?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Nelson
>>>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>>>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>>>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I finish I will post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some suggestions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> banding in the digineg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:11:57 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Judy Seigel <jseigel at panix.com>
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>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
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>> I wrote a comment on this this afternoon, but my evil computer (which
>> hates me) swallowed it. However here's the gist:
>>
>> "Archival Ink Jet Print" might work... "Ink Jet Print" by itself suggests
>> something ordinary, maybe machinery, or even an airplane. The very worst
>> possibility IMO (at least in English) is "Gicle" -- however you spell it.
>> It sounds affected, "putting on airs" ... speaking FRENCH !!!. (The term
>> we used to use as children was "Hoity Toity.")
>>
>> J.
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:00:05 +1100
>> From: Jon Reid <jon at sharperstill.com>
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>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
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>> the black plague?
>>
>> On 13 February 2011 08:03, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net> wrote:
>>> Interesting distinction, Paul, that an alt problem like paper specificity or banding is probably not a "duh..." whereas, say, printing on the wrong side of OHP is something we should know better. But believe me, to beginning altees, all problems are problems, and if experienced altees are making them, too, it may not be so "duh." But I will go back over my list to date and see if I can separate the two.
>>>
>>> Personally, the Epson driver issues SHOULD be a DUH to Epson and Apple IMHO. I mean my gosh.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I don't know that these are alt problems, rather like DUH problems. We've all had them, though...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Anderson" <zphoto at montana.net>
>>>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:33 AM
>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OHMAGOSH Mark I've done that and did not think to include it!! Good point. Yeah, not all paper is watermarked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Nelson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a stack of paper you forgot to label and can't identify?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Nelson
>>>>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>>>>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>>>>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am compiling a list of frequent problems that occur with alt for a presentation. For instance, paper specificity is one that is the bane of my existence as of late. Seriously, now. When papers change, do you think the paper manufacturers would tell us??!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought I would ask the list if anyone had their pet peeve to share so I can add it to my growing list in case i don't have it already?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I finish I will post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are some suggestions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> printing on the wrong side of OHP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> banding in the digineg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> venetian blinds in the digineg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> forgetting to invert the neg (yes, it does occur!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not necessarily being process-specific, though, e.g. gum might have staining or sloughing off of the layer or speckling as pitfalls. But heck, that'd be OK, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, interested to see your all's pet peeves, trials, tribulations...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of these years I hope to compile a FAQ, too...such things as "When is a hair dryer a good thing?" etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the great things about teaching is that if there is a mistake to be made, it is done, and I can document. This past week I had one I had never seen before, trying to read a blur/average square that should have given one consistent number kept jumping all over the place. Found out the eyedropper tool was NOT set to point sample but to 101x101. Of course, it took me 45 minutes to figure that one out and it was another faculty member that suggested that might be the cause. Gees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OH LOL another I'll share. One student kept having horribly contrasty pt/pd prints. Come to find out, he was using straight NA2 20% as his pt part of the equation (not pd!), instead of using it as a contrast agent in addition to the metal. That was one of those that was so inconceivable to me I didn't guess it. He finally figured it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:32:25 -0700
>> From: Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
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>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Jon Reid wrote:
>>
>>> the black plague?
>>>
>>
>> Jon,
>> Which is? An alt term or a disease in history? Please enlighten me.
>> Chris
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:40:18 -0500
>> From: francis schanberger <frangst at gmail.com>
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>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
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>> The black specks of misery aka the black plague possibly seen in platinum
>> and palladium?
>>
>> BTW, I haven't tried the Cov. Rag Vellum White with palladium but will once
>> things settle down in March.
>>
>> -francis
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:46:30 -0700
>> From: Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: pitfalls of alt
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>> That was a paper issue, correct? If I remember, Arches Platine suffered it off and on?
>> I remember for a time people thought it was specks of reduced metal from the threads of the bottles and such but I don't remember experiencing it.
>> My biggest problem with pt/pd was the time I had intense bleeding of chemistry off of the paper.
>> I am ordering the Coventry and the Masa as we speak. I scanned a bunch of the problem children images today from my class--unsuitable paper for both cyano and argyro (bfk).
>> Chris
>>
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 7:40 PM, francis schanberger wrote:
>>
>>> The black specks of misery aka the black plague possibly seen in platinum
>>> and palladium?
>>>
>>> BTW, I haven't tried the Cov. Rag Vellum White with palladium but will once
>>> things settle down in March.
>>>
>>> -francis
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:50:30 -0600
>> From: Nelson Mark <ender100 at aol.com>
>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
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>> Dan (Burkholder) & Judy, I agree with you folks. I think Archival Pigment Inkjet Print , though wordy, is descriptive.
>>
>> I went to a well known photo gallery in Chicago to attend and opening. They artist was showing full color prints that looked like they could either be inkjet, Lightjet, or even Lithographs beneath the glass. I asked the gallery owner's assistant what type of prints I was looking at... she replied "COLOR PRINTS, END OF STORY!" I felt like slapping her, the little snot. I told her it wasn't "the end of story", because before I would ever buy a print I would damn well know what kind of print I was buying. They were "giclee" prints. I hate that term because it is a term that obsfucates and tries to sound like more than what they are.
>>
>> I have absolutely nothing against inkjet prints. I think they are great. I just would like people to be honest use clear terminology.
>>
>> I also really detest the use of "carbon print" for inkjet prints made with quadtone inks. It is misleading. Sometimes I have asked about what kind of prints were being shown and the gallery owner did not really know?that is bad!
>>
>> My rant is over.
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Judy Seigel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wrote a comment on this this afternoon, but my evil computer (which hates me) swallowed it. However here's the gist:
>>>
>>> "Archival Ink Jet Print" might work... "Ink Jet Print" by itself suggests something ordinary, maybe machinery, or even an airplane. The very worst possibility IMO (at least in English) is "Gicle" -- however you spell it. It sounds affected, "putting on airs" ... speaking FRENCH !!!. (The term we used to use as children was "Hoity Toity.")
>>>
>>> J.
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:19:10 -0800
>> From: "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
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>> Mark,
>>
>> I agree re "carbon print" terminology....and I love your "end of story"
>> story...!
>>
>> Sometimes I've seen "Ultrachrome K3 Ink Print" or something similar and
>> thought that was a little funny, but to tell you truth I can see why a print
>> could be listed that way. A few years ago my wife bought an inkjet print for
>> me when she was on vacation from a photographer at an art show. He does some
>> nice work, but I filed the print away. A few weeks ago, I was going through
>> my stuff and found it. Totally faded...it was on HP paper but I have no idea
>> what printer he used. Faded, in complete dark storage for 2 years.
>>
>> So maybe something like the above would be helpful to people who know about
>> such things. I don't think that I would ever buy an inkjet print, but if I
>> did, I would probably only trust one made on an Epson pigment printer on
>> appropriate paper.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nelson Mark" <ender100 at aol.com>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:50 PM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: NICER NAME FOR INKJET?
>>
>>
>> Dan (Burkholder) & Judy, I agree with you folks. I think Archival Pigment
>> Inkjet Print , though wordy, is descriptive.
>>
>> I went to a well known photo gallery in Chicago to attend and opening. They
>> artist was showing full color prints that looked like they could either be
>> inkjet, Lightjet, or even Lithographs beneath the glass. I asked the
>> gallery owner's assistant what type of prints I was looking at... she
>> replied "COLOR PRINTS, END OF STORY!" I felt like slapping her, the little
>> snot. I told her it wasn't "the end of story", because before I would ever
>> buy a print I would damn well know what kind of print I was buying. They
>> were "giclee" prints. I hate that term because it is a term that obsfucates
>> and tries to sound like more than what they are.
>>
>> I have absolutely nothing against inkjet prints. I think they are great. I
>> just would like people to be honest use clear terminology.
>>
>> I also really detest the use of "carbon print" for inkjet prints made with
>> quadtone inks. It is misleading. Sometimes I have asked about what kind of
>> prints were being shown and the gallery owner did not really know?that is
>> bad!
>>
>> My rant is over.
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>>
>>
>>
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