[alt-photo] Re: casein

[Mark Nelson]

Peter,
Do you have some examples on the web?

Thanks for your note!

Mark Nelson
www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
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On Feb 25, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Peter Blackburn <blackburnap at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi Christina and all:
> 
> Yes, I do casein quite a bit—much of the time, fact and LOVE IT. It has quite a few advantages over gum with shorter printing times being one. And since I use the sun, I can work in casein on somewhat cloudy days—days which would create havoc with gum. It can be blotted dry after processing with a towel unlike gum which would smear or worse! My casein is pure white which makes it a bit easier to see and evaluate hue and density during the mixing stage. Casein is a little more fluid allowing for the use of brushes usually reserved for inks and dyes. There are a few more advantages which would take a bit of time to explain. Yes, casein is quite underrated in my opinion. Casein had been used in primitive painting in ages past. Why gum had about a fifty-year head start over casein for dichromate printing is a mystery to me. However, I make my casein fresh directly from cheese which I think makes ALL the difference in the world. Someday I will get this down in publication.
> 
> Hope you are doing well, Christina, in all of your extensive traveling and teaching. You seem quite busy these days.
> 
> Cheers to all!
> 
> 
> Peter J. Blackburn
> 
> 
>> From: zphoto at montana.net
>> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:43:44 -0700
>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
>> 
>> Keith!
>> Thanks for the info!
>> 
>> One casein printer said it was half the gum printing time...
>> 
>> Christina Z. Anderson
>> christinaZanderson.com
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:
>> 
>>> I've used the Kremer product and it is cheap and easy. I have not used it a
>>> LOT, because I really did not see much advantage of casein over gum, but
>>> then I admit that I only used it on wood panels, so the "test" was hardly
>>> extensive. The results that I got were very interesting and I can certainly
>>> promise that I will get back to it in the future when it warms up and I can
>>> haul my lazy self out to Menards for more wood. At the moment I am printing
>>> tons of cyanotypes on Masa. Casein on masa? That sounds like frustration
>>> in the making...
>>> 
>>> But while we are on the subject, maybe I can ask a couple of questions of
>>> anybody that has worked with casein. I believe Loris mentioned that the
>>> exposure is less than with gum. Is that the case? How much less? Loris??
>>> Any comment? In my case, I cut the exposure back by 20% and the prints
>>> still needed some heavy brushing/rubbing/spraying to clear. The emulsion
>>> was rather opaque compared to gum, and the print was rather similar to a
>>> temperaprint. Had the print been on paper, I doubt it would have survived.
>>> So maybe i need to cut the exposure waaaaay back.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yup--did...Lukas seems to be one who has done the process extensively, and
>>>> he was on the list if not still is.
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Look at Lukas Werth's prints on Flickr...beautiful and lots of them!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Anderson" <
>>>> zphoto at montana.net>
>>>>> To: "Alt List" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] casein
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> (whoops, sent this with the wrong email so sending again)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I'm on this casein hunt for one silly reason--I blame it on Sam Wang.
>>>> Long ago I saw Sam Wang's caseins and thought them beautiful. Four of them
>>>> are in his book, Sam Wang, Four Decades of Photographic Explorations,
>>>> another "must-buy" alt book for just the HUGE amount of alt work documented
>>>> within its pages. Sam's work is very poetic, subtle.
>>>>> 
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