[alt-photo] Re: casein

Fri Feb 25 19:09:03 GMT 2011

Yeah, Peter, my fave being your Carnation in Glass, reminiscent of Baron Adolph de Meyer's Hydrangea in glass.

Christina Z. Anderson
christinaZanderson.com

On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Nelson Mark wrote:

> Thanks Peter—you are certainly getting saturated colors!
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Mark Nelson
> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
> 
> PDNPrint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
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> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Peter Blackburn wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark:
>> 
>> Yes, I do have some work posted. This link should take your there:  http://www.alternativephotography.com/gallery/v/peter_j_blackburn/casein_pigment_prints/
>> Thanks for asking! 
>> 
>> Peter J. Blackburn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: ender100 at aol.com
>>> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:31:09 -0600
>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> Do you have some examples on the web?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your note!
>>> 
>>> Mark Nelson
>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>> 
>>> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Peter Blackburn <blackburnap at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Christina and all:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I do casein quite a bit—much of the time, fact and LOVE IT. It has quite a few advantages over gum with shorter printing times being one. And since I use the sun, I can work in casein on somewhat cloudy days—days which would create havoc with gum. It can be blotted dry after processing with a towel unlike gum which would smear or worse! My casein is pure white which makes it a bit easier to see and evaluate hue and density during the mixing stage. Casein is a little more fluid allowing for the use of brushes usually reserved for inks and dyes. There are a few more advantages which would take a bit of time to explain. Yes, casein is quite underrated in my opinion. Casein had been used in primitive painting in ages past. Why gum had about a fifty-year head start over casein for dichromate printing is a mystery to me. However, I make my casein fresh directly from cheese which I think makes ALL the difference in the world. Someday I will get this down in publication.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope you are doing well, Christina, in all of your extensive traveling and teaching. You seem quite busy these days.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers to all!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Peter J. Blackburn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: zphoto at montana.net
>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:43:44 -0700
>>>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keith!
>>>>> Thanks for the info!
>>>>> 
>>>>> One casein printer said it was half the gum printing time...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've used the Kremer product and it is cheap and easy. I have not used it a
>>>>>> LOT, because I really did not see much advantage of casein over gum, but
>>>>>> then I admit that I only used it on wood panels, so the "test" was hardly
>>>>>> extensive. The results that I got were very interesting and I can certainly
>>>>>> promise that I will get back to it in the future when it warms up and I can
>>>>>> haul my lazy self out to Menards for more wood. At the moment I am printing
>>>>>> tons of cyanotypes on Masa. Casein on masa? That sounds like frustration
>>>>>> in the making...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But while we are on the subject, maybe I can ask a couple of questions of
>>>>>> anybody that has worked with casein. I believe Loris mentioned that the
>>>>>> exposure is less than with gum. Is that the case? How much less? Loris??
>>>>>> Any comment? In my case, I cut the exposure back by 20% and the prints
>>>>>> still needed some heavy brushing/rubbing/spraying to clear. The emulsion
>>>>>> was rather opaque compared to gum, and the print was rather similar to a
>>>>>> temperaprint. Had the print been on paper, I doubt it would have survived.
>>>>>> So maybe i need to cut the exposure waaaaay back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yup--did...Lukas seems to be one who has done the process extensively, and
>>>>>>> he was on the list if not still is.
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Look at Lukas Werth's prints on Flickr...beautiful and lots of them!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Anderson" <
>>>>>>> zphoto at montana.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Alt List" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:48 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] casein
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (whoops, sent this with the wrong email so sending again)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So I'm on this casein hunt for one silly reason--I blame it on Sam Wang.
>>>>>>> Long ago I saw Sam Wang's caseins and thought them beautiful. Four of them
>>>>>>> are in his book, Sam Wang, Four Decades of Photographic Explorations,
>>>>>>> another "must-buy" alt book for just the HUGE amount of alt work documented
>>>>>>> within its pages. Sam's work is very poetic, subtle.
>>>>>>>> 
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