[alt-photo] Re: casein

Peter Blackburn blackburnap at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 25 20:06:13 GMT 2011 


Hi Mark:
 
Yes, the colors are saturated, but that is not from the casein. My gum work is just as saturated—it's just how I print.
All the best in your work!

Peter 


 
> From: ender100 at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:05:23 -0600
> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
> 
> Thanks Peter—you are certainly getting saturated colors!
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Mark Nelson
> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
> 
> PDNPrint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
> 
> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Peter Blackburn wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Mark:
> > 
> > Yes, I do have some work posted. This link should take your there: http://www.alternativephotography.com/gallery/v/peter_j_blackburn/casein_pigment_prints/
> > Thanks for asking! 
> > 
> > Peter J. Blackburn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> From: ender100 at aol.com
> >> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:31:09 -0600
> >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> >> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
> >> 
> >> Peter,
> >> Do you have some examples on the web?
> >> 
> >> Thanks for your note!
> >> 
> >> Mark Nelson
> >> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
> >> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
> >> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
> >> 
> >> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
> >> 
> >> On Feb 25, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Peter Blackburn <blackburnap at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Christina and all:
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, I do casein quite a bit—much of the time, fact and LOVE IT. It has quite a few advantages over gum with shorter printing times being one. And since I use the sun, I can work in casein on somewhat cloudy days—days which would create havoc with gum. It can be blotted dry after processing with a towel unlike gum which would smear or worse! My casein is pure white which makes it a bit easier to see and evaluate hue and density during the mixing stage. Casein is a little more fluid allowing for the use of brushes usually reserved for inks and dyes. There are a few more advantages which would take a bit of time to explain. Yes, casein is quite underrated in my opinion. Casein had been used in primitive painting in ages past. Why gum had about a fifty-year head start over casein for dichromate printing is a mystery to me. However, I make my casein fresh directly from cheese which I think makes ALL the difference in the world. Someday I will get this down in publication.
> >>> 
> >>> Hope you are doing well, Christina, in all of your extensive traveling and teaching. You seem quite busy these days.
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers to all!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Peter J. Blackburn
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> From: zphoto at montana.net
> >>>> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:43:44 -0700
> >>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> >>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: casein
> >>>> 
> >>>> Keith!
> >>>> Thanks for the info!
> >>>> 
> >>>> One casein printer said it was half the gum printing time...
> >>>> 
> >>>> Christina Z. Anderson
> >>>> christinaZanderson.com
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I've used the Kremer product and it is cheap and easy. I have not used it a
> >>>>> LOT, because I really did not see much advantage of casein over gum, but
> >>>>> then I admit that I only used it on wood panels, so the "test" was hardly
> >>>>> extensive. The results that I got were very interesting and I can certainly
> >>>>> promise that I will get back to it in the future when it warms up and I can
> >>>>> haul my lazy self out to Menards for more wood. At the moment I am printing
> >>>>> tons of cyanotypes on Masa. Casein on masa? That sounds like frustration
> >>>>> in the making...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> But while we are on the subject, maybe I can ask a couple of questions of
> >>>>> anybody that has worked with casein. I believe Loris mentioned that the
> >>>>> exposure is less than with gum. Is that the case? How much less? Loris??
> >>>>> Any comment? In my case, I cut the exposure back by 20% and the prints
> >>>>> still needed some heavy brushing/rubbing/spraying to clear. The emulsion
> >>>>> was rather opaque compared to gum, and the print was rather similar to a
> >>>>> temperaprint. Had the print been on paper, I doubt it would have survived.
> >>>>> So maybe i need to cut the exposure waaaaay back.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Christina Anderson <zphoto at montana.net>wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Yup--did...Lukas seems to be one who has done the process extensively, and
> >>>>>> he was on the list if not still is.
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
> >>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Look at Lukas Werth's prints on Flickr...beautiful and lots of them!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Anderson" <
> >>>>>> zphoto at montana.net>
> >>>>>>> To: "Alt List" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:48 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] casein
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> (whoops, sent this with the wrong email so sending again)
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Good morning!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> So I'm on this casein hunt for one silly reason--I blame it on Sam Wang.
> >>>>>> Long ago I saw Sam Wang's caseins and thought them beautiful. Four of them
> >>>>>> are in his book, Sam Wang, Four Decades of Photographic Explorations,
> >>>>>> another "must-buy" alt book for just the HUGE amount of alt work documented
> >>>>>> within its pages. Sam's work is very poetic, subtle.
> >>>>>>> 
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