[alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question

[Willen, Matthew S]

Paul, 
I am going to email you off list, as I have another question for you.
M

On 11/21/11 12:47 PM, "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net> wrote:

>What's your gum/pigment ratio on the affected print?
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>From: "Willen, Matthew S" <willenm at etown.edu>
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>Subject: [alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question
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>> Hi Diana,
>> Yes, I remember and used that for a while, but seemed to be getting
>> staining, and so switched. That said, I've changed my workflow around
>>and
>> am using different proportions of gum/pigment and longer development
>>baths
>> which have been working well with the gelatin up until this past week,
>>and
>> then all of this inconsistency. I've just flipped a sheet of soft press
>> and coated up the unsized side, and am interested to see what happens.
>> M
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>> On 11/21/11 12:24 PM, "Diana Bloomfield" <dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
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>>>This is what I mentioned to you when you visited, Matt.  I do use PVA
>>>(just one thin coat) on mine, for the second and subsequent layers--
>>>works like a charm-- but I'm not sure why you don't just try this.
>>>When I used gelatin and glyoxal, in the past, I would have those
>>>inconsistency problems at times, too.  When I switched to using
>>>Fabriano soft-press and-- well-- took all of Paul's suggestions
>>>(thanks again, Paul!), my printing-- as well as just the work flow--
>>>improved greatly.
>>>
>>>Diana
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>>>On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
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>>>> Well, as you know there are so many variables in gum...however, I
>>>> use this paper regularly without any staining whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> See these prints:
>>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/viapiano/sets/72157624234247830/
>>>>
>>>> Descriptions with paper type are inlcuded...the fig is 5 layers!
>>>> There are a few on BFK there as well, which really needs something.
>>>> I use Gamblin PVA Size for that (see the three oaks tryptych for
>>>> that).
>>>>
>>>> Keith Taylor does his 3 layer tricolors on Fab soft press with no
>>>> sizing...
>>>>
>>>> Paul
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willen, Matthew S"
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>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question
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>>>>> Actually, that is what I am using. Could I get four good coats on
>>>>> it w/o
>>>>> sizing though and not get staining?
>>>>> M
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>>>>> On 11/21/11 11:35 AM, "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have access to Fabriano paper...hot or soft press?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use that EASILY without sizing of any kind...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Willen, Matthew S" <willenm at etown.edu>
>>>>>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
>>>>>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] back to the flaking/speckling question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>> After much experimentation, I've pretty much come to the conclusion
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the problems with what I last week called "speckling," but was
>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> that it is actually "flaking," is due to something that happened
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> sizing the paper. So, the question I have now is what to do about
>>>>>>> it? I
>>>>>>> have a bunch of a gelatin/glyoxal sized paper (only on one side),
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> sheets do fine, others flake like there is no tomorrow, and for the
>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>> of me I can't determine any sort of surface difference which would
>>>>>>> indicate how one or another sheet might behave. Is there anyway to
>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>> the sizing, and then redo it? Or just resize the other side of each
>>>>>>> sheet?
>>>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about using glyoxal indoors? It is getting pretty chilly around
>>>>>>> here,
>>>>>>> and even though I can keep the gelatin solution warm in a
>>>>>>> thermos, as
>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>> as it come out it is exposed to some chilly conditions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Matt
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