[alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question

[Paul Viapiano]

What's your gum/pigment ratio on the affected print?




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willen, Matthew S" <willenm at etown.edu>
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Subject: [alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question


> Hi Diana,
> Yes, I remember and used that for a while, but seemed to be getting
> staining, and so switched. That said, I've changed my workflow around and
> am using different proportions of gum/pigment and longer development baths
> which have been working well with the gelatin up until this past week, and
> then all of this inconsistency. I've just flipped a sheet of soft press
> and coated up the unsized side, and am interested to see what happens.
> M
>
> On 11/21/11 12:24 PM, "Diana Bloomfield" <dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>This is what I mentioned to you when you visited, Matt.  I do use PVA
>>(just one thin coat) on mine, for the second and subsequent layers--
>>works like a charm-- but I'm not sure why you don't just try this.
>>When I used gelatin and glyoxal, in the past, I would have those
>>inconsistency problems at times, too.  When I switched to using
>>Fabriano soft-press and-- well-- took all of Paul's suggestions
>>(thanks again, Paul!), my printing-- as well as just the work flow--
>>improved greatly.
>>
>>Diana
>>
>>On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>>
>>> Well, as you know there are so many variables in gum...however, I
>>> use this paper regularly without any staining whatsoever.
>>>
>>> See these prints:
>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/viapiano/sets/72157624234247830/
>>>
>>> Descriptions with paper type are inlcuded...the fig is 5 layers!
>>> There are a few on BFK there as well, which really needs something.
>>> I use Gamblin PVA Size for that (see the three oaks tryptych for
>>> that).
>>>
>>> Keith Taylor does his 3 layer tricolors on Fab soft press with no
>>> sizing...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>> Actually, that is what I am using. Could I get four good coats on
>>>> it w/o
>>>> sizing though and not get staining?
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On 11/21/11 11:35 AM, "Paul Viapiano" <viapiano at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have access to Fabriano paper...hot or soft press?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can use that EASILY without sizing of any kind...
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Willen, Matthew S" <willenm at etown.edu>
>>>>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list"
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>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] back to the flaking/speckling question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>> After much experimentation, I've pretty much come to the conclusion
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the problems with what I last week called "speckling," but was
>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> that it is actually "flaking," is due to something that happened
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> sizing the paper. So, the question I have now is what to do about
>>>>>> it? I
>>>>>> have a bunch of a gelatin/glyoxal sized paper (only on one side),
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> sheets do fine, others flake like there is no tomorrow, and for the
>>>>>> life
>>>>>> of me I can't determine any sort of surface difference which would
>>>>>> indicate how one or another sheet might behave. Is there anyway to
>>>>>> remove
>>>>>> the sizing, and then redo it? Or just resize the other side of each
>>>>>> sheet?
>>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about using glyoxal indoors? It is getting pretty chilly around
>>>>>> here,
>>>>>> and even though I can keep the gelatin solution warm in a
>>>>>> thermos, as
>>>>>> soon
>>>>>> as it come out it is exposed to some chilly conditions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Matt
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