[alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question

[C.Breukel at lumc.nl]

Diana,

Do you pre-shrink your paper first before applying the PVA size? (I guess so). And how do you pre-shrink?

Thanks,

cor

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> photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Diana
> Bloomfield
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> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: back to the flaking/speckling question
> 
> Yes, as I said, I use a very, very small amount, and there is an
> almost imperceptible slight sheen to it, but definitely not shiny-- at
> all.  I think it depends on how much you use.  But, honestly, even to
> see anything, I would have to tilt the print a certain way to see it
> from the side.  There are times when I've coated a sheet (I only coat
> after the first layer is down)-- and I can't tell if I've done it or
> not, so I have to hold it under a light and tilt it to see.  Even
> then, I have trouble making sure.  So if you really use it sparingly,
> you simply can't see any shiny effect at all-- at least not in mine.
> Maybe it depends on the paper, too.  ??
> 
> Diana
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:33 PM, francis schanberger wrote:
> 
> > I am a Gamblin PVA user (1:2) but I do want to point out that there
> > is a
> > shiny factor (i.e. not matte) associated with it which some
> > traditional
> > gummists take issue.
> >
> > -francis
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Diana Bloomfield <
> > dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Don here about the PVA.  I tried gluteraldahyde, but
> >> just
> >> didn't like working with it (and always felt like I needed to be
> >> outside to
> >> do it).  I did get yellowing with that, but probably-- as you say--
> >> used
> >> too much, or it was too concentrated.  The glyoxol always gave me
> >> inconsistent results.
> >>
> >> I think the Gamblin PVA is amazing.  I just pour a very thin amount
> >> (no
> >> dilution, but very thin, very small amount) and brush it on.  I
> >> just let it
> >> dry naturally, and where I am-- it's very quick drying. There's no
> >> way I'd
> >> ever go back to gelatin and glyoxal or gluteraldahyde.  I shudder
> >> to even
> >> think about it.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Diana
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Don Bryant wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> 3) Dump that glyoxol.  It is a huge PITA.  The 4th in my list of
> >>> Great
> >>> Discoveries in Gum is when Christina Z. Anderson popularized
> >>> Gluteraldahyde
> >>> as a gelatin hardener
> >>>
> >>> +1 on that! Glyoxal can be very iffy. Though, cross my fingers,
> >>> I've never
> >>> had it yellow, except when it concentrates in droplets of gelatin
> >>> on the
> >>> corner of a sheet of paper when it dries. Glut can cause
> >>> yellowing, but
> >>> only
> >>> when it is used in very concentrated amounts.
> >>>
> >>> I think Chris has a write up somewhere on the Alt Process website
> >>> (or her
> >>> website) so look for her drill down there.
> >>>
> >>> For beginning gummists or gum over whatever, Gamblin PVA 1:1
> >>> rolled on
> >>> with
> >>> a micro-foam roller and quick dried with a hair dryer is a good
> >>> method as
> >>> well. In fact if you use that method and it works well for you
> >>> stick with
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> Don Bryant
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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