[alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING

[francis schanberger]

Be careful which palladium salt you use. I tried to use up some LiPd from
Ziatype to tone vandyke browns and it seemed to reduce the contrast of the
print by staining the highlights.

-francis

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM, BOB KISS <bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote:

> DEAR RYUJI,
>        Perhaps you can help with my original question relating to the fact
> that palladium is now less expensive than gold.  Why not tone albumen,
> salt,
> and POP prints with palladium instead of gold?  And I would love as many
> palladium toner formulae as I can get.  I only found one in Christopher
> James' book.  Know of any others?
>                CHEERS!
>                        BOB
>
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> Ryuji Suzuki
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> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
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> From: Keith Gerling <keith.gerling at gmail.com>
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:01:26 -0500
>
> > I have no expertise in toning, but I do find it ironic that
> > so many people want to sepia, or brown-town a silver-gelatin
> > print, but when confronted with a brown or sepia VanDyke,
> > argyrotype, etc., the first inclination is to blacken it
> > with gold-toning.
>
> There are a few different types of sulfiding toners, but the
> range of results varies widely depending on how you use
> them. If you use brown toner (a solution of liver of sulfur)
> very lightly, you don't see much visual effects immediately
> but you'll realize increase in density when the print is
> completely dried (and the image is still black). You see
> similar density increase with selenium but in that case you
> already see the effects while the print is in the toning
> bath. This is with silver gelatin process where the image
> forming silver particles are bigger than the materials you
> mentioned. With print out silver images, the image silver is
> so tiny that most sulfiding toning bath would probably react
> too fast. But I wonder if there's a good way to slow down and
> limit the rate of toning reaction so as to achieve the density
> increase without significantly browning or yellowing the image.
>
> If you are only concerned about protecting silver image
> without changing the image tone or density, I came up with an
> easy and inexpensive method...
>
> --
> Ryuji Suzuki
> "If I want to find out anything, I'm not gonna read Time magazine, I'm
> not gonna read Newsweek, I'm not gonna read any of these
> magazines. Because they have got too much to lose by printing the
> truth." (Bob Dylan, Don't Look Back, 1965)
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