[alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING

[Loris Medici]

Equally bad results here too; IME, LiPd toner definitely reduced both
the dmax and the contrast or the print (and the resulting color was
awful too!), I don't remember any staining though - could be my
memory...


2011/9/5 francis schanberger <frangst at gmail.com>:
> Be careful which palladium salt you use. I tried to use up some LiPd from
> Ziatype to tone vandyke browns and it seemed to reduce the contrast of the
> print by staining the highlights.
>
> -francis
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM, BOB KISS <bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote:
>
>> DEAR RYUJI,
>>        Perhaps you can help with my original question relating to the fact
>> that palladium is now less expensive than gold.  Why not tone albumen,
>> salt,
>> and POP prints with palladium instead of gold?  And I would love as many
>> palladium toner formulae as I can get.  I only found one in Christopher
>> James' book.  Know of any others?
>>                CHEERS!
>>                        BOB
>>
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>> Ryuji Suzuki
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>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
>>
>> From: Keith Gerling <keith.gerling at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:01:26 -0500
>>
>> > I have no expertise in toning, but I do find it ironic that
>> > so many people want to sepia, or brown-town a silver-gelatin
>> > print, but when confronted with a brown or sepia VanDyke,
>> > argyrotype, etc., the first inclination is to blacken it
>> > with gold-toning.
>>
>> There are a few different types of sulfiding toners, but the
>> range of results varies widely depending on how you use
>> them. If you use brown toner (a solution of liver of sulfur)
>> very lightly, you don't see much visual effects immediately
>> but you'll realize increase in density when the print is
>> completely dried (and the image is still black). You see
>> similar density increase with selenium but in that case you
>> already see the effects while the print is in the toning
>> bath. This is with silver gelatin process where the image
>> forming silver particles are bigger than the materials you
>> mentioned. With print out silver images, the image silver is
>> so tiny that most sulfiding toning bath would probably react
>> too fast. But I wonder if there's a good way to slow down and
>> limit the rate of toning reaction so as to achieve the density
>> increase without significantly browning or yellowing the image.
>>
>> If you are only concerned about protecting silver image
>> without changing the image tone or density, I came up with an
>> easy and inexpensive method...
>>
>> --
>> Ryuji Suzuki
>> "If I want to find out anything, I'm not gonna read Time magazine, I'm
>> not gonna read Newsweek, I'm not gonna read any of these
>> magazines. Because they have got too much to lose by printing the
>> truth." (Bob Dylan, Don't Look Back, 1965)
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