[alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING

[BOB KISS]

DEAR FRANCIS & LORIS,
	Don't worry, I only do DOP PT/PD printing so I have the right kind
of palladium chloride.  
*****Still hoping there might be some alternative formulae...just for
variation's sake.  
		CHEERS!
			BOB

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Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING

not really staining. LiPd seamed to warm up the paper ground in unexposed or
uncoated areas. yes, my dmax (exposed ground) also got anemic looking.

-francis

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name>wrote:

> Equally bad results here too; IME, LiPd toner definitely reduced both
> the dmax and the contrast or the print (and the resulting color was
> awful too!), I don't remember any staining though - could be my
> memory...
>
>
> 2011/9/5 francis schanberger <frangst at gmail.com>:
> > Be careful which palladium salt you use. I tried to use up some LiPd
from
> > Ziatype to tone vandyke browns and it seemed to reduce the contrast of
> the
> > print by staining the highlights.
> >
> > -francis
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM, BOB KISS <bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote:
> >
> >> DEAR RYUJI,
> >>        Perhaps you can help with my original question relating to the
> fact
> >> that palladium is now less expensive than gold.  Why not tone albumen,
> >> salt,
> >> and POP prints with palladium instead of gold?  And I would love as
many
> >> palladium toner formulae as I can get.  I only found one in Christopher
> >> James' book.  Know of any others?
> >>                CHEERS!
> >>                        BOB
> >>
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> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
> >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On
> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> Ryuji Suzuki
> >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:50 AM
> >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> >> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
> >>
> >> From: Keith Gerling <keith.gerling at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ECONOMICS OF TONING
> >> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:01:26 -0500
> >>
> >> > I have no expertise in toning, but I do find it ironic that
> >> > so many people want to sepia, or brown-town a silver-gelatin
> >> > print, but when confronted with a brown or sepia VanDyke,
> >> > argyrotype, etc., the first inclination is to blacken it
> >> > with gold-toning.
> >>
> >> There are a few different types of sulfiding toners, but the
> >> range of results varies widely depending on how you use
> >> them. If you use brown toner (a solution of liver of sulfur)
> >> very lightly, you don't see much visual effects immediately
> >> but you'll realize increase in density when the print is
> >> completely dried (and the image is still black). You see
> >> similar density increase with selenium but in that case you
> >> already see the effects while the print is in the toning
> >> bath. This is with silver gelatin process where the image
> >> forming silver particles are bigger than the materials you
> >> mentioned. With print out silver images, the image silver is
> >> so tiny that most sulfiding toning bath would probably react
> >> too fast. But I wonder if there's a good way to slow down and
> >> limit the rate of toning reaction so as to achieve the density
> >> increase without significantly browning or yellowing the image.
> >>
> >> If you are only concerned about protecting silver image
> >> without changing the image tone or density, I came up with an
> >> easy and inexpensive method...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ryuji Suzuki
> >> "If I want to find out anything, I'm not gonna read Time magazine, I'm
> >> not gonna read Newsweek, I'm not gonna read any of these
> >> magazines. Because they have got too much to lose by printing the
> >> truth." (Bob Dylan, Don't Look Back, 1965)
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