[alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?

[Don Bryant]

Francesco,

Have you tried the Slavich graded papers from Freestyle? A friend in
Wisconsin, who is a very good printer, recommends their products as an
alternative to AZO (he is very familiar with AZO). It's a projection speed
paper but works fine for contact printing. Try some with Ansco 130 developer
and I think you will be quite pleased. The other plus for thes paper is that
it is sold in different grades. I don't know if will respond to split ater
bath development like AZO but it's probably worth a try.

If the rabble on APUG is to be trusted, Slavich rates as a good paper at
reasonable cost. And it ships from the west coast!

Don 




-----Original Message-----
From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
[mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
Francesco Fragomeni
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:49 PM
To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?

Just did a Google search for sources for baryta paper. Could something like
the widely available Hahnemuhle baryta papers be used? Would coating be
approached differently with baryta?

-Francesco

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Francesco Fragomeni
<fdfragomeni at gmail.com>wrote:

> Etienne,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. You touched on some of my initial concerns. I
> couldn't imagine a homemade emulsion laying down and producing a truly
> AZO-like result without a lot more involved. I've been asking around to
see
> if anyone has any images made using this handmade emulsion that is being
> taught but so far I've seen nothing.
>
> What is involved with coating Pt/Pl on baryta paper? Is baryta readily
> available from some commercial source?
>
> -Francesco
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, etienne garbaux <
> photographeur at nerdshack.com> wrote:
>
>> Francesco wrote:
>>
>>  what is involved with making and coating one's one silver
>>> chloride paper.   *   *   *
>>>
>>> Also, I've read that making a silver chloride emulsion is
>>> actually quite simple (completely relative) and that people have
>>> successfully replicated AZO-like emulsions on their own. Can
>>> anyone speak to this?
>>>
>>
>> I have extensive experience (for an amateur) making and coating S-G
>> emulsions for both in-camera and darkroom-speed materials.  Chloride
paper
>> emulsion is relatively easy, as you mentioned -- but there are many
degrees
>> of "relative," and making any S-G emulsion ranks very near the top (just
>> under the relatively easiest DIY neurosurgery).  You need to control
>> temperature to 0.1 C (and not just static, but the profile of ramping
>> temperature over time), time to seconds, and flow rates to very tight
>> tolerances to get anything resembling repeatable results.  Also, no
matter
>> how good your emulsion is, you will never get prints that look like Azo
>> unless you make a coating machine capable of laying down a very even
layer
>> of emulsion, and use it in a dust-free clean room.  You will also need a
>> source of baryta paper, or you will need to make your own.
>>
>> The best start I know for someone interested in beginning to make and
>> coat S-G emulsions is the manual James Browning wrote about making Dye
>> Transfer Matrix Film.  Of course, it covers many things peculiar to that
>> process as well as the basics (emulsion making and coating).  One version
>> is here:
<http://www.dyetransfer.org/**images/DyeTran.pdf<http://www.dyetransfer.org/
images/DyeTran.pdf>
>> >.
>>
>> If you want an alt process that gives very sharp resolution like
>> commercial S-G papers, with the long-scale beauty of Azo or printing-out
>> paper, but does not require two rooms dedicated to making the materials,
>> try Pt or carbon.  Both can be printed on baryta paper for a very bright,
>> high resolution result.  I would suggest monochrome Dye Transfer, which
is
>> a breathtakingly beautiful process, but for that you would need to make
the
>> Matrix Film....
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> etienne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Alt-photo-process-list |
http://altphotolist.org/**listinfo<http://altphotolist.org/listinfo>
>>
>
>
_______________________________________________
Alt-photo-process-list | http://altphotolist.org/listinfo