[alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?

Don Bryant donsbryant at gmail.com
Sun Mar 11 23:09:10 GMT 2012


Have you tried the Slavich graded papers from Freestyle? A friend in
Wisconsin, who is a very good printer, recommends their products as an
alternative to AZO (he is very familiar with AZO). It's a projection speed
paper but works fine for contact printing. Try some with Ansco 130 developer
and I think you will be quite pleased. The other plus for thes paper is that
it is sold in different grades. I don't know if will respond to split ater
bath development like AZO but it's probably worth a try.

If the rabble on APUG is to be trusted, Slavich rates as a good paper at
reasonable cost. And it ships from the west coast!


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Francesco Fragomeni
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:49 PM
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Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?

Just did a Google search for sources for baryta paper. Could something like
the widely available Hahnemuhle baryta papers be used? Would coating be
approached differently with baryta?


On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Francesco Fragomeni
<fdfragomeni at gmail.com>wrote:

> Etienne,
> Thanks for your thoughts. You touched on some of my initial concerns. I
> couldn't imagine a homemade emulsion laying down and producing a truly
> AZO-like result without a lot more involved. I've been asking around to
> if anyone has any images made using this handmade emulsion that is being
> taught but so far I've seen nothing.
> What is involved with coating Pt/Pl on baryta paper? Is baryta readily
> available from some commercial source?
> -Francesco
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, etienne garbaux <
> photographeur at nerdshack.com> wrote:
>> Francesco wrote:
>>  what is involved with making and coating one's one silver
>>> chloride paper.   *   *   *
>>> Also, I've read that making a silver chloride emulsion is
>>> actually quite simple (completely relative) and that people have
>>> successfully replicated AZO-like emulsions on their own. Can
>>> anyone speak to this?
>> I have extensive experience (for an amateur) making and coating S-G
>> emulsions for both in-camera and darkroom-speed materials.  Chloride
>> emulsion is relatively easy, as you mentioned -- but there are many
>> of "relative," and making any S-G emulsion ranks very near the top (just
>> under the relatively easiest DIY neurosurgery).  You need to control
>> temperature to 0.1 C (and not just static, but the profile of ramping
>> temperature over time), time to seconds, and flow rates to very tight
>> tolerances to get anything resembling repeatable results.  Also, no
>> how good your emulsion is, you will never get prints that look like Azo
>> unless you make a coating machine capable of laying down a very even
>> of emulsion, and use it in a dust-free clean room.  You will also need a
>> source of baryta paper, or you will need to make your own.
>> The best start I know for someone interested in beginning to make and
>> coat S-G emulsions is the manual James Browning wrote about making Dye
>> Transfer Matrix Film.  Of course, it covers many things peculiar to that
>> process as well as the basics (emulsion making and coating).  One version
>> is here:
>> >.
>> If you want an alt process that gives very sharp resolution like
>> commercial S-G papers, with the long-scale beauty of Azo or printing-out
>> paper, but does not require two rooms dedicated to making the materials,
>> try Pt or carbon.  Both can be printed on baryta paper for a very bright,
>> high resolution result.  I would suggest monochrome Dye Transfer, which
>> a breathtakingly beautiful process, but for that you would need to make
>> Matrix Film....
>> Best regards,
>> etienne
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