[alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?

[Francesco Fragomeni]

Don,

I haven't tried the paper you mentioned. I'll check it out. Thanks for the
lead!

-Francesco

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Don Bryant <donsbryant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Francesco,
>
> Have you tried the Slavich graded papers from Freestyle? A friend in
> Wisconsin, who is a very good printer, recommends their products as an
> alternative to AZO (he is very familiar with AZO). It's a projection speed
> paper but works fine for contact printing. Try some with Ansco 130
> developer
> and I think you will be quite pleased. The other plus for thes paper is
> that
> it is sold in different grades. I don't know if will respond to split ater
> bath development like AZO but it's probably worth a try.
>
> If the rabble on APUG is to be trusted, Slavich rates as a good paper at
> reasonable cost. And it ships from the west coast!
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Francesco Fragomeni
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:49 PM
> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>  Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Coating Silver Chloride Paper - Similar to AZO?
>
> Just did a Google search for sources for baryta paper. Could something like
> the widely available Hahnemuhle baryta papers be used? Would coating be
> approached differently with baryta?
>
> -Francesco
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Francesco Fragomeni
> <fdfragomeni at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Etienne,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. You touched on some of my initial concerns. I
> > couldn't imagine a homemade emulsion laying down and producing a truly
> > AZO-like result without a lot more involved. I've been asking around to
> see
> > if anyone has any images made using this handmade emulsion that is being
> > taught but so far I've seen nothing.
> >
> > What is involved with coating Pt/Pl on baryta paper? Is baryta readily
> > available from some commercial source?
> >
> > -Francesco
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, etienne garbaux <
> > photographeur at nerdshack.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Francesco wrote:
> >>
> >>  what is involved with making and coating one's one silver
> >>> chloride paper.   *   *   *
> >>>
> >>> Also, I've read that making a silver chloride emulsion is
> >>> actually quite simple (completely relative) and that people have
> >>> successfully replicated AZO-like emulsions on their own. Can
> >>> anyone speak to this?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have extensive experience (for an amateur) making and coating S-G
> >> emulsions for both in-camera and darkroom-speed materials.  Chloride
> paper
> >> emulsion is relatively easy, as you mentioned -- but there are many
> degrees
> >> of "relative," and making any S-G emulsion ranks very near the top (just
> >> under the relatively easiest DIY neurosurgery).  You need to control
> >> temperature to 0.1 C (and not just static, but the profile of ramping
> >> temperature over time), time to seconds, and flow rates to very tight
> >> tolerances to get anything resembling repeatable results.  Also, no
> matter
> >> how good your emulsion is, you will never get prints that look like Azo
> >> unless you make a coating machine capable of laying down a very even
> layer
> >> of emulsion, and use it in a dust-free clean room.  You will also need a
> >> source of baryta paper, or you will need to make your own.
> >>
> >> The best start I know for someone interested in beginning to make and
> >> coat S-G emulsions is the manual James Browning wrote about making Dye
> >> Transfer Matrix Film.  Of course, it covers many things peculiar to that
> >> process as well as the basics (emulsion making and coating).  One
> version
> >> is here:
> <http://www.dyetransfer.org/**images/DyeTran.pdf<
> http://www.dyetransfer.org/
> images/DyeTran.pdf>
> >> >.
> >>
> >> If you want an alt process that gives very sharp resolution like
> >> commercial S-G papers, with the long-scale beauty of Azo or printing-out
> >> paper, but does not require two rooms dedicated to making the materials,
> >> try Pt or carbon.  Both can be printed on baryta paper for a very
> bright,
> >> high resolution result.  I would suggest monochrome Dye Transfer, which
> is
> >> a breathtakingly beautiful process, but for that you would need to make
> the
> >> Matrix Film....
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> etienne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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