[Alt-photo] Re: DAS

Peter Friedrichsen pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca
Thu Apr 25 22:53:03 UTC 2013

Hi Charles.

These are fluorescent lamps and are of the "black light blue" 
variety, so they have a violet woods glass that blocks most of the 
visible rays. The glass also blocks out shorter wavelengths from what 
I understand. The peak is actually a bit higher than I mentioned, at 
369 nm with a peak width of about 16 nm. There are a couple very 
small peaks in the blue, and another small one in green (mercury 
line) but they account for very little of the total energy emitted.

As you say, different wavelengths may penetrate to different depths. 
It may be that blue or green light may penetrate further but surely a 
longer exposure as a trade off.

One of these days I will have to try exposing this DAS with white 
light under a spectrometer, one I built some years ago. It is a 
matter of dusting off a dinosaur laptop since it won't run on modern 
OS's because it interfaces with a parallel port. The limitation is it 
doesn't go below 350 nm.


At 02:03 AM 25/04/2013, you wrote:
>Hello Peter,
>Thank you for this valuable information.  It illustrates a great deal about
>the penetration of UV light into a sensitized emulsion and accounts for
>differences in exposure "speeds".
>Do you know what type of lamp was used to exposure the tests?
>Multi-spectral lamps (Metal Halide/Mercury Vapor) emit varying wavelengths
>of varying intensities (% of emitted light).  A Series 0 lamp, for example,
>which is used for most platemaking applications, emits 0% at  320 -360 NM
>(DAS peak sensitivity is 335NM) while 11% of a Series 7 bulb is in the 320
>- 360NM  spectrum.  Both lamps, of course, emit large amounts at 365nm, but
>comparisons of emitted light absorptions may be affected by the secondary
>wavelength outputs of the lamp.
>In any case, it does underscore the need to find an exposure bulb that
>matches the specific spectral sensitivity of the materials for maximum
>penetration and minimum exposure.
>On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Kees Brandenburg
><workshops at polychrome.nl>wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > That's very interesting information and completely in line with my
> > observations. This also strengthens my hypothesis that ferric carbon is the
> > absolutely winner concerning relief. It's also in line with Charles remarks
> > about DAS sensitized tissue gelatin thickness optimization. The DAS
> > sensitized tissue that printed best for me is a #200 coating rod coated
> > tissue with relatively much pigment.
> >
> > The lower pigmented, hand coated 1 mm wet height tissue printed much
> > softer, with less dmax and the relief was stil almost absent. The heavy
> > selfmasking lengthens the tonal scale significantly but also prevented
> > digging deep in the layer. With this tissue though it's very nice printing
> > in 2 or 3 layers with different exposure times!
> >
> >
> > I will do some more tests with a #90 rod, I don't have the #120 Charles
> > mentioned. Also cutting down Gelatin/DAS ratio might bne an interesting
> > path to go.
> >
> > Thanks very much for doing these tests!
> >
> > Kees
> >
> >
> > On 23 apr. 2013, at 04:29, Peter Friedrichsen <pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Kees,
> > >
> > > I went ahead to try to measure the amount of UV transmitted through some
> > of these sensitizers+gelatin.
> > >
> > > I used a UV exposure unit that exposes gum dichromates in 4-6 minutes,
> > and cyanotypes in about 10-12 minutes. I placed a UV sensor under a glass
> > slide coated with these emulsions -pigment free.
> > >
> > > For roughly the same film thickness of gelatin+sensitizer, I found that
> > DAS is a much stronger UV absorber at 6% of dried gelatin than potassium
> > dichromate at 30% of dried gelatin. In fact, only about 14% of UV at 365 nm
> > can get through the DAS+gelatin film vs PotDich+gelatin. Significantly more
> > UV passed through Ferric ammonium citrate/Gelatin than either of these.
> > Even after full exposure (curves were plotted), the UV transmitted through
> > the DAS+gelatin was still much less at about about 16% of the
> > PotDich+gelatin.
> > >
> > > I am thinking that this strong UV blocking ability of DAS would limit
> > the depth to which the gelatin could harden to produce a relief. It would
> > also suggest a more compressed scale.
> > >
> > > Peter Friedrichsen
> >
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