[alt-photo] Re: Preshrinking paper for gum?

[Diana Bloomfield]

I hear you, Paul.  That's my concern, too.  Of course, I have been stockpiling for a while now . . .   ;)

Diana

On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:

> Yep, that's right, Diana...
> 
> I got the idea from Keith Taylor who never mentions sizing in his article on Unblinking Eye and in View Camera, although he does mount to aluminum. But sizing...? Nope. Lets just hope the paper gods at Fabriano don't mess with it ;-))
> 
> Paul
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> On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Diana Bloomfield <dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> 
>> No, I never size it, and I use that paper only for gum printing.  I've printed up to as many as 6 layers, with absolutely no issues.  In fact, I had more issues when I did size.  
>> 
>> I *think* it was Paul Viapiano on the List here who first suggested this paper-- maybe someone else, too-- I can't remember-- but I've been using it now for a long long time, and I've just never had an issue with it.  I've told people about it before, but I think they never hear the word "soft-press," so you have to ensure that you're getting Fabriano soft-press, because (in my experience), the other Fabriano papers (labeled hot press; rough; or cold press) do not work like that.
>> 
>> Diana
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>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Ricardo Wildberger Lisboa wrote:
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>>> Diana and Denny, thank you for the information.
>>> 
>>> Diana, you say you don't even size on that paper? Don't you ever size the paper for gum printing?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo.
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>>> Em 17/01/2013, às 16:30, Kurt Nagy <kakarott76 at hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>> 
>>>> I never preshrink either.  Only issues I have with registration come from my own lining up the negative
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>>>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Denny" <dspector at charter.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Diana, thanks, "almost seemed pointless" pretty much sums up what I found.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>>>>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Diana Bloomfield
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:12 AM
>>>>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Preshrinking paper for gum?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Denny,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't shrink paper anymore--- with the paper I now use-- but back when I
>>>>> did (and I never did real tests on it like you)-- I realized, at some point,
>>>>> that the temperature of the water didn't really seem to matter much.   And
>>>>> really hot water seemed to offer bad results-- bad things happened with
>>>>> really hot water.   Also, no matter how much I left it in water--
>>>>> registration was still never perfect-- so it almost seemed pointless.  And
>>>>> then I discovered the perfect paper that required no pre-shrinking (up to a
>>>>> certain size), and no sizing-- so I put it all out of my head after that. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Denny wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks, I did some simple testing to try to evaluate how to shrink 
>>>>>> paper, details here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.dennisspector.com/technotes/preshrink.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was surprised by the results, and I'm wondering if anyone else has 
>>>>>> looked at this closely, what did you find?  Any noticeable effects of 
>>>>>> water temperature?  Amount of shrinking?  (I'm sure these vary with 
>>>>>> different papers, and I know some papers may not require any 
>>>>>> preshrinking.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Denny
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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