[Alt-photo] Re: Video:

Jan Kapoor jkapoor at jankapoor.net
Mon Mar 25 21:09:50 UTC 2013

I agree that this type of image (I call them ugly pictures of ugly 
people) is entirely too prevalent. However, it has nothing to do with 
Photoshop one way or the other. Photoshop is a tool, and a very 
powerful and creative one in the right hands. People were making this 
boring kind of image back in the days of film also. So, the quality of 
an image is entirely to do with the person using the tools: the camera, 
the film, the digital technology. If Ansel Adams, for example,  were 
still alive and working today, I am quite sure he would be at the 
forefront of the digital image-making world. He was always on the 
leading adge of whatever technology was current. 

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:35:23 -0400, Diana Bloomfield 
<dlhbloomfield at gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that Photoshop is sort of like working in the darkroom (sort 
of), in that if you don't know what you're doing in the old-fashioned 
darkroom (or have never been in one)-- then you might be equally inept 
when using Photoshop. Not sure that's true, but just my thought. But I 
definitely think he makes a good point that so much in the world of 
digital photography looks the same. I'm not sure if Photoshop is to 
blame, or just a lack of imagination. I can safely say that if I see 
one more large color photograph of a teenager standing in the front 
yard (or in the living room) of an obviously well-to-do home, looking 
bored and staring blankly at the camera, I think I'll scream. What is 
that obsession? I keep seeing that over and over. The first time I saw 
that-- which seems like years ago now-- it was interesting. But I don't 
get why people keep doing that, and why galleries and museums keep 
loving it. 
> So, for me, maybe it's not the tools so much as just plain imitation. 
> But is that more prevalent today, with digital? And I really do think 
> that digital prints, from digital scans, do have a kind of sameness 
> w/regard to print quality. I can see that. 
> Diana
> On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Vedos Projekti wrote:
> > Well, Photoshop is a tool... how can one say the tools are so 
> boring, that's why my images are so bad! ;)
> > > I think users of the tool may be boring... do you think if 
> Picasso or Rembrandt had had Photoshop, they wouldn't have touched it?
> > > -Jalo
> > > > -- If you only look at what is, you might never attain what could be --
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> > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Video: "David Hockney: Photoshop is boring"
> > > Thanks, Greg. That was really interesting. I think he's right 
> about digital photography all looking the same. He's talking 
> magazines, where everything has been photoshopped to death-- but I do 
> see that in shows, too. I'm not sure what it is, except that everyone 
> is using the same Photoshop apps, and I still think that images made 
> from film (even if then digitally printed) have something that 
> digital scans just don't. 
> > > He obviously knows technology, and he didn't say he didn't use 
> it-- he just said he felt that the photographic results (at least in 
> print media) were all of the same. Nothing much distinguished them. 
> At least, that's how I heard it. I think you almost can't do any 
> photography today without some technological aspect attached to it 
> (eg, making digital negatives, for instance-- scanning film and 
> cleaning up the dust marks). 
> > > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Don Bryant wrote:
> > >> David Hockney paints with the iPad
> >> >> So I guess software is okay for painting but not photography?
> >> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Greg Schmitz 
> <coldbay1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>> FYR
> >>> >>> "David Hockney: Photoshop is boring"
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAx_aYGmpoM
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