[Alt-photo] Re: Video:

[Don Sweet]

Hockney is a genius although he meanders and shows off a bit in this video.
His criticism of photoshop (with a little "p") is that as a tool it lends
itself to conformity.  Possibly because it enables over-working of images to
the point that they lose their distictiveness.  While I was getting my
thoughts together, or perhaps instaed of doing so, I came across this lovely
collection of Picasso line drawings of birds and animals.
http://anamateursview.weebly.com/1/post/2012/06/its-the-little-things-picasso-line-drawings.html
Hockney gave, as a contrast to photoshopped pictures, a Picasso owl drawing,
which may be one of these.  The message I take from this is that it is hard
for an artist armed only with a pencil to be boring and conformist.

Don Sweet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan Kapoor" <jkapoor at jankapoor.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Video:


> I agree that this type of image (I call them ugly pictures of ugly
> people) is entirely too prevalent. However, it has nothing to do with
> Photoshop one way or the other. Photoshop is a tool, and a very
> powerful and creative one in the right hands. People were making this
> boring kind of image back in the days of film also. So, the quality of
> an image is entirely to do with the person using the tools: the camera,
> the film, the digital technology. If Ansel Adams, for example, were
> still alive and working today, I am quite sure he would be at the
> forefront of the digital image-making world. He was always on the
> leading adge of whatever technology was current.
>
>   Jan
>
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:35:23 -0400, Diana Bloomfield
> <dlhbloomfield at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that Photoshop is sort of like working in the darkroom (sort
> of), in that if you don't know what you're doing in the old-fashioned
> darkroom (or have never been in one)-- then you might be equally inept
> when using Photoshop. Not sure that's true, but just my thought. But I
> definitely think he makes a good point that so much in the world of
> digital photography looks the same. I'm not sure if Photoshop is to
> blame, or just a lack of imagination. I can safely say that if I see
> one more large color photograph of a teenager standing in the front
> yard (or in the living room) of an obviously well-to-do home, looking
> bored and staring blankly at the camera, I think I'll scream. What is
> that obsession? I keep seeing that over and over. The first time I saw
> that-- which seems like years ago now-- it was interesting. But I don't
> get why people keep doing that, and why galleries and museums keep
> loving it.
> >
> > So, for me, maybe it's not the tools so much as just plain imitation.
> > But is that more prevalent today, with digital? And I really do think
> > that digital prints, from digital scans, do have a kind of sameness
> > w/regard to print quality. I can see that.
> >
> > Diana
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Vedos Projekti wrote:
> >
> > > Well, Photoshop is a tool... how can one say the tools are so
> > boring, that's why my images are so bad! ;)
> > > > I think users of the tool may be boring... do you think if
> > Picasso or Rembrandt had had Photoshop, they wouldn't have touched it?
> > > > -Jalo
> > > > > -- If you only look at what is, you might never attain what could
be --
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> > Diana Bloomfield [dlhbloomfield at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 25 March 2013 15:03
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> > > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Video: "David Hockney: Photoshop is boring"
> > > > Thanks, Greg. That was really interesting. I think he's right
> > about digital photography all looking the same. He's talking
> > magazines, where everything has been photoshopped to death-- but I do
> > see that in shows, too. I'm not sure what it is, except that everyone
> > is using the same Photoshop apps, and I still think that images made
> > from film (even if then digitally printed) have something that
> > digital scans just don't.
> > > > He obviously knows technology, and he didn't say he didn't use
> > it-- he just said he felt that the photographic results (at least in
> > print media) were all of the same. Nothing much distinguished them.
> > At least, that's how I heard it. I think you almost can't do any
> > photography today without some technological aspect attached to it
> > (eg, making digital negatives, for instance-- scanning film and
> > cleaning up the dust marks).
> > > > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Don Bryant wrote:
> > > >> David Hockney paints with the iPad
> > >> >> So I guess software is okay for painting but not photography?
> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Greg Schmitz
> > <coldbay1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>> FYR
> > >>> >>> "David Hockney: Photoshop is boring"
> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAx_aYGmpoM
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