Re: Luminosity and ease of making carbon prints.

Luis Nadeau (nadeaul@nbnet.nb.ca)
Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:19:00 -0300

At 10:41 AM 97/06/09, Terry King wrote:
>Luis
>
>>. The large majority abandon the process
>>for a variety of reasons, e.g., can't be used in the summer because of the
>>heat, etc.
>
>>My original comments were about people who learn from books. There are
>many
>>more of those.
>
>I do not disagree. The point is that if consistent material were available
>at an affordable price people would do it more. With the addition of a
>little ice the process is just as easy in summer.

Where you are maybe, but not here in Eastern Canada. This is the main
reason why I stopped teaching at the Maine Photographic Workshops in the
North Eastern US. We had to sensitize early in the morning and use nasty
solvent for anything to work at all. By the afternoon, depending on the
day, it was hopeless. Temps of 30 to 40C are not rare here in the summer.
In the winter it's the same temperature as well, but with a - sign in front
of it;-)

>>This is the second time in less than a day you misquote me.
>
>That was not a misquote, I was saying something different. As to the other
>I was quoting from something you quoted.

see below

>> Several people said they did not like it, including the curator of Lacock
>Abbey who is now
>>making his own. I don't think I have seen a single specimen made with the
>>G25 tissue but whatever color it is, people will grow tired of it and will
>>want some variety.
>
>Luis, if you have never seen a print made with G25 are you in a position
>to make a judgement?

Make a judgement over the fact that people will want variety because it is
one of the advantages of this process. As to the rest you previously said:

>pounds Sterling, and the colour, that I like and Luis does not.

I never said I did not like the color since I didn't see it!

In fact, sanguine can be quite pleasing for certain effects on warm tone
papers. This is what Robert Demachy used for some of his better nudes that
I saw at the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris.

It's not good for everything however. Blacks is what attract people to
carbons. The people who look at my carbons are afraid to get too close to
the prints for fear of being sucked into the blacks and never be heard from
again;-)

I refer to that particular color as "black hole black";-)

> If the colour was good enough for da Vinci, it is good enough for me.
>
>Of course people want variety that is why I am assessing the demand..
>
>But if 'authorities' insist on saying that it is difficult, when it is
>easy, that is sure to inhibit demand.

It's all relative and it would be unfair to tell people it's as easy as
cyanotype. It ain't.

>If Michael Gray prefers to make his own the that is I am sure a carefully
>considered decision based upon his specific requirements.but most people
>are not going to want to go through the hoops of making carbon tissue.

I agree.

>>From my book sales and the number of prints readers have sent to me
>over.the years I would say that platinum & palladium are >50 times more
>popular
>>than carbon printing.
>
>So ?

So Pt/Pd are 50 times easier...

>
>>As for the minimum order of G25 tissue someone said on this list that
>there
>>is an outfit in the US willing to provide smaller amounts.
>
>In what colours ? At what price? And are the products of a consistent
>quality ?

In the only color G25 is known for...

Can someone dig out their name?

Why is it that it's always the same people who do all the work around here;-)

Luis Nadeau
nadeaul@nbnet.nb.ca
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada