From: Don Bryant (dsbryant@telocity.com)
Date: 05/28/01-01:02:37 PM Z
Joe,
Your comments echo results I have seen here in Atlanta by other users. I've
got an 1160 so I'm hoping to be geared up full bore by the fall. I have no
reservations about the CE products, hey we are all consumers no matter what
materials we prefer or use.
My question is, how are you scanning your negatives and what negatives are
you scanning? B&W or strictly color. I have a great need to scan B&W
material and regardless of the brand of scanners I look at not much info is
available about B&W scanning. I do want to avoid the expense of drum
scanning except for "special" negatives.
Any insights here would be very helpful to me and perhaps others.
Thanks,
Don Bryant
----- Original Message -----
From: <Smieglitz@aol.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Piezography Product info
>
> In a message dated 05/28/2001 10:28:12, you wrote:
>
> <<Joe, I also have some concern about the ink that this system uses.
Being a
> carbon based pigment and considering the difficulty you are/have been
> experiencing, is there reason to believe that other papers/films would
> experience similar difficulties? Or, is it just the particular film you
are
> using?
> >>
>
> Nick,
>
> I've just started using this product *for a purpose it was not designed
for*
> and have only met the minor problem of the ink not adhering to the
Pictorico
> OHP transparency material and the density problem on the transparency.. I
> suspect a similar problem might exist on other transparency materials, but
> Pictorico is the best I've used so far (3M, Epson, and a couple other
brands
> have been tried with the Epson inks in the past). I believe a light
coating
> of Krylon will fix that problem. *As far as the prints go, I'm very happy
> with the results*, it's just the transparency material I have to tweak.
> There apparently is some warming of the ink when applied to certain papers
(I
> think Legion Concorde Rag is one) but that warning and paper
recommendations
> are given at the vendor's site.
>
> I've been through a Cone workshop in March and was generally pleased with
it.
> Cone does try to push his products, but that is understandable. His
staff
> was friendly, helpful, and knowledgable (especially Larry). I saw many
> samples at the workshop, picked up a few Photoshop tips, learned about
> calibration and color management and came back with a few nice prints.
>
> I have several examples of quadtone prints from George DeWolff and Cone,
as
> well as the personal images I obtained at the workshop. I've seen side by
> side comparisons of Cone's products with others and seen examples of his
fade
> tests. He is quick to point out the limitations of his materials and that
of
> others. It was apparent on the fade test prints that his color inkset did
> not have as large a gamut as some other products, that some fading and
color
> shifts could occur with his inks, but the examples I saw showed they held
up
> better in terms of lightfastness, fading, metamerism and had less color
shift
> over time than his competitors' products. Maybe new products from MIS
might
> have an edge but I had no reservations about Cone's products when I left
the
> workshop. I can't say that about the Epson or Luminos products. I think
> he's got the best thing going right now and certainly worth the $1000
> investment made for the 1160 printer, piezography software, and continuous
> ink supply compared to the other available products.
>
> As far as the ICC profiles, I obtained the set for the 1160 and several
other
> printers we use at school gratis with the workshop (as well as several
drum
> scans on CD and the prints I've mentioned previously), so I was pleased
with
> all that as well. The ICC profiles are available for purchase at his site
> and having seen and used examples, I'd say the investment is well worth
it.
> I observed how the profiles were determined at the workshop and note the
Cone
> runs new tests constantly (probably 24/7) and has stacks of hundreds of
> permutations of printers, inks and papers.
>
> Cone is obviously in it to make a buck, but he's also a very interesting
> character. A Sufi/Artist/CEO/Gourmet Chef/Family Man/transplant to
Vermont
> from the city/Volunteer Fireman in the village and I think vegan as well.
My
> take on him was that his research was driven for his own art and then
> secondarily, to support his sort of comfortable rural bohemian lifestyle.
I
> don't think he's a snake oil salesman, but he has a lot of irons in the
fire
> so you might get more satisfactory contact with one of his staff. (And
just
> in case you are wondering, I have no affiliation with Cone or his
companies.
> I'm just a satisfied customer.)
>
> The 20x24 quadtone print I brought back from the workshop was run on an
Epson
> 7000 (or maybe 7500, I don't recall) and it took about 50 minutes to be
> printed. Think I was on a G4 going through his network which might have
> slowed things abit, but it should give you some idea of the printer speed.
I
> think the grayscale file was around 30MB.
>
> Joe
>
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