From: Nick Makris (nick@mcn.org)
Date: 09/13/01-04:20:14 PM Z
Please note that the sender of this missle (which has clearly come across
the Atlantic and probably not from England) has not identified him/herself.
The return address has the appearance of just another of those freebee
accounts which serve to hide the identity of the 'echo troll'. The idea of
shaun_bear@hotmail.com, hello.
For the record, I only suggested that 'the item was worthy of review'.
BTW shaun_bear@hotmail.com, If your going to 'denegrate' my good name at
least you can spell it correctly - it's MAKRIS.
My 2 cents
----- Original Message -----
From: "shaun bear" <shaun_bear@hotmail.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> My remarks were directed at the original post and not you personally. It
> strikes me that the original intention of the post was to denigrate the US
> friends and allies for there lack of support and the supposed inequity in
> there relationship with the US. These sentiments apparently resonated for
> Nick Marris. Apparently Nick Marris does not pay careful attention to the
> news or international affairs. If he did he would see how insulting this
> post is to US allies. Did he not hear Tony Blair's pledge to stand next
> America as Britain has always done so in past or NATO pledge of support .I
> don't really want to debate this at this time either.It is hard to stand
by
> when someone denegrates one's country in this way.
>
>
> >From: Thor Bols <thorbols@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:55:43 +0700
> >
> >Whoa! I prefaced my note with "noble sentiments" out of respect for the
> >intention of the original poster of this tidbit, who I am sure had good
> >intentions. It was not meant to be an editorial comment.
> >
> >Please keep these two points in mind:
> >
> >1) these words of tribute were made almost thirty years ago.
> >2) they have been significantly altered from the original
> >
> >
> >>This is the first time I have replied to this list. I don't find this
> >>sentiment noble at all. As a British citizen I am offended by this
> >>sentiment
> >>suggested in this mail. It demonstrates a base xenophobia that tradegies
> >>such as this always inspire. Great Britain has been a loyal staunch ally
> >>to
> >>the USA in every conflict and crisis that the US has faced and to not
> >>recognize this fact is an insult to all british people. In reference to
> >>WW2
> >>do you honestly believe that US sacrifice was any greater or more noble
> >>than
> >>that of GB. My sympathies and prayers are with all victims of this
horror.
> >>God bless america and the rest of the free world were ever it may be
> >>found.
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Thor Bols <thorbols@hotmail.com>
> >>>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >>>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >>>Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> >>>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:25:28 +0700
> >>>
> >>>Noble sentiments, indeed. But it might be useful to note that Mr.
> >>>Sinclair
> >>>made these statements in 1973.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Nick Makris <nick@mcn.org>
> >>>>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >>>>To: Alt Photo <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> >>>>Subject: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> >>>>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:10:35 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>>Received the following and just feel that it is worthy of review.
> >>>>Actually received it twice this morning.
> >>>>
> >>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
> >>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> >>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> >>>>Canadian
> >>>>television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant
> >>>>remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >>>>
> >>>>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
> >>>>most
> >>>>generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> >>>>
> >>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
> >>>>out
> >>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
dollars
> >>>>and
> >>>>forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today
paying
> >>>>even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
> >>>>
> >>>>When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
> >>>>who
> >>>>propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
> >>>>streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >>>>
> >>>>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
> >>>>hurries
> >>>>in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
> >>>>tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> >>>>
> >>>>The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into
> >>>>discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing
> >>>>about
> >>>>the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
> >>>>erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
> >>>>other
> >>>>country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> >>>>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
them?
> >>>>Why
> >>>>do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> >>>>
> >>>>Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
on
> >>>>the
> >>>>moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You
talk
> >>>>about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> >>>>American
> >>>>technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
times
> >>>>and safely home again.
> >>>>
> >>>>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
store
> >>>>window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
> >>>>pursued
> >>>>and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> >>>>they
> >>>>are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and
pa
> >>>>at
> >>>>home to spend here.
> >>>>
> >>>>When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> >>>>through
> >>>>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
> >>>>Railroad
> >>>>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose.
> >>>>Both are still broke.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other
> >>>>people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
raced
> >>>>to
> >>>>the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> >>>>during
> >>>>the San Francisco earthquake.
> >>>>
> >>>>Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
> >>>>tired
> >>>>of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing
with
> >>>>their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their
nose
> >>>>at
> >>>>the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada
> >>>>is
> >>>>not one of those."
> >>>>
> >>>>Stand proud, America!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--------------------------------------------
> >>>>x;-)>=
> >>>>
> >>>>galen@diamondjim.Com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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