From: shaun bear (shaun_bear@hotmail.com)
Date: 09/13/01-05:53:25 PM Z
I apologize for mispelling your name. I am a british citizen living in the
us. My son is a us a citizen as is my wife. I can also be contacted at
srbear@earthlink.net. I use my hotmail account like many others so that I
can check my mail at work or where ever easily. Using the phrase missile to
describe my mail is tasteless. I merely passed comment on the bigotry and
xenophobia that your posting contained. I love US and UK and feel a
loyality to both countries. Just like you I don't like to see my country
denegrated. By all means show soldarity and support for the US, I have no
problem with that. Perhaps you could think about what I actually wrote in
my email rather than jumping to stupid conclusions about my email. BTW my
name is Shaun Bear. I am not a troll.
>From: Nick Makris <nick@mcn.org>
>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:20:14 -0700
>
>Please note that the sender of this missle (which has clearly come across
>the Atlantic and probably not from England) has not identified him/herself.
>The return address has the appearance of just another of those freebee
>accounts which serve to hide the identity of the 'echo troll'. The idea of
>shaun_bear@hotmail.com, hello.
>
>For the record, I only suggested that 'the item was worthy of review'.
>
>BTW shaun_bear@hotmail.com, If your going to 'denegrate' my good name at
>least you can spell it correctly - it's MAKRIS.
>
>My 2 cents
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "shaun bear" <shaun_bear@hotmail.com>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:37 PM
>Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
>
>
> > My remarks were directed at the original post and not you personally. It
> > strikes me that the original intention of the post was to denigrate the
>US
> > friends and allies for there lack of support and the supposed inequity
>in
> > there relationship with the US. These sentiments apparently resonated
>for
> > Nick Marris. Apparently Nick Marris does not pay careful attention to
>the
> > news or international affairs. If he did he would see how insulting this
> > post is to US allies. Did he not hear Tony Blair's pledge to stand next
> > America as Britain has always done so in past or NATO pledge of support
>.I
> > don't really want to debate this at this time either.It is hard to
>stand
>by
> > when someone denegrates one's country in this way.
> >
> >
> > >From: Thor Bols <thorbols@hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> > >To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> > >Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:55:43 +0700
> > >
> > >Whoa! I prefaced my note with "noble sentiments" out of respect for
>the
> > >intention of the original poster of this tidbit, who I am sure had good
> > >intentions. It was not meant to be an editorial comment.
> > >
> > >Please keep these two points in mind:
> > >
> > >1) these words of tribute were made almost thirty years ago.
> > >2) they have been significantly altered from the original
> > >
> > >
> > >>This is the first time I have replied to this list. I don't find this
> > >>sentiment noble at all. As a British citizen I am offended by this
> > >>sentiment
> > >>suggested in this mail. It demonstrates a base xenophobia that
>tradegies
> > >>such as this always inspire. Great Britain has been a loyal staunch
>ally
> > >>to
> > >>the USA in every conflict and crisis that the US has faced and to not
> > >>recognize this fact is an insult to all british people. In reference
>to
> > >>WW2
> > >>do you honestly believe that US sacrifice was any greater or more
>noble
> > >>than
> > >>that of GB. My sympathies and prayers are with all victims of this
>horror.
> > >>God bless america and the rest of the free world were ever it may be
> > >>found.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: Thor Bols <thorbols@hotmail.com>
> > >>>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> > >>>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> > >>>Subject: Re: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> > >>>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:25:28 +0700
> > >>>
> > >>>Noble sentiments, indeed. But it might be useful to note that Mr.
> > >>>Sinclair
> > >>>made these statements in 1973.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: Nick Makris <nick@mcn.org>
> > >>>>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> > >>>>To: Alt Photo <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> > >>>>Subject: Editorial broadcast from Toronto
> > >>>>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:10:35 -0700
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Received the following and just feel that it is worthy of review.
> > >>>>Actually received it twice this morning.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
> > >>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> > >>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> > >>>>Canadian
> > >>>>television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
>trenchant
> > >>>>remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
>the
> > >>>>most
> > >>>>generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
>lifted
> > >>>>out
> > >>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
>dollars
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today
>paying
> > >>>>even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
>Americans
> > >>>>who
> > >>>>propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on
>the
> > >>>>streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
> > >>>>hurries
> > >>>>in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
> > >>>>tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
>into
> > >>>>discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing
> > >>>>about
> > >>>>the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
>the
> > >>>>erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
> > >>>>other
> > >>>>country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> > >>>>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
>them?
> > >>>>Why
> > >>>>do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
>on
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You
>talk
> > >>>>about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> > >>>>American
> > >>>>technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
>times
> > >>>>and safely home again.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
>store
> > >>>>window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
> > >>>>pursued
> > >>>>and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> > >>>>they
> > >>>>are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and
>pa
> > >>>>at
> > >>>>home to spend here.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> > >>>>through
> > >>>>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
> > >>>>Railroad
> > >>>>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
>caboose.
> > >>>>Both are still broke.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
>other
> > >>>>people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
>raced
> > >>>>to
> > >>>>the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> > >>>>during
> > >>>>the San Francisco earthquake.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
>damned
> > >>>>tired
> > >>>>of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing
>with
> > >>>>their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their
>nose
> > >>>>at
> > >>>>the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope
>Canada
> > >>>>is
> > >>>>not one of those."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Stand proud, America!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>--------------------------------------------
> > >>>>x;-)>=
> > >>>>
> > >>>>galen@diamondjim.Com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
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