From: Charlotte (dusk@oceanrowan.net)
Date: 09/18/01-03:02:17 PM Z
Have I joined the right list? Is this about alternative photo processing?
Thanks
Char
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: Happy New Year, God Bless America...
>
> Hey guys... we took the hit for you & will probably take the next -- and
> you're sounding off about our patriotism!?
>
> And though I thank folks for defending "Judy's freedom of opinion" -- I
> don't think I said much based on *opinion* -- more a matter of *public
> record,* though perhaps not on the Fox Network. Certainly memoirs of the
> last half century from major publishers by those who did it are full of
> the stuff... Wasn't it Macnamara who repented the Vietnam War -- or am I
> having a senior moment & missing the name? For sure in the last 3 days I
> heard on the radio 68 times about bin Laden having carried our water...
> And why did the congress pass a law against covert assassinations --
> because there never were any?? If terrorist funds don't come from oil
> money... where else? (Sorry I may have used the term ordnance or ordinance
> loosely -- referring to very large support network.)
>
> If I didn't "love America", would I feel so betrayed when it behaves
> badly? To want the loved one to live up to its principles at home AND
> abroad is not "hate." To assault the bearer of truth is what's
> "unAmerican"... also childish, if not dangerous. What if the Washington
> Post & NY Times had let obloquy stop them from printing the Pentagon
> papers? We'd probably still be in Vietnam.
>
> Permit me to suggest that a clear view of where we are & how we got there
> is a higher, & clearly a more dangerous, form of patriotism than simply
> waving the flag & blaming the messenger (tho hard to believe this is all
> *news*).
>
> To construe rueful comments about the World Trade Center as lousy "city
> planning" to mean I don't care about the people and the city and the
> country is bizarre -- I don't know a soul who liked them. The New York
> Times (that commie rag?) just printed a full page of architects' & guide
> books' outcries against the WTC. If we can't learn from our mistakes we
> really are doomed.
>
> As for the police, my neighbors are standing on the westside highway (&
> I've been among them) weeping and applauding as the police and diggers &
> firemen drive by, also at the pier making sandwiches for the volunteers,
> giving blood, and going to dig themselves. But whoever doesn't know about
> what police HAVE done in NYC, Philadelphia, and LA, among other places,
> isn't entitled to comment. I myself live in an upscale white neighborhood
> where the police are essentially our servants (and where I daresay
> muggings are no more frequent per capita than in Wyoming!). However, the
> names Diallo & Louima are only the best known... I know firsthand & have
> read in the papers of many others, almost equally ugly. If you don't know
> these facts, again *tais toi* -- not to mention that my words were taken
> out of context -- I was expressing our grief for the fire fighters, who
> were *always* the good guys. (And I add the "good" news, that "only" 11 of
> the neighborhood company were lost, not all as initially feared.)
>
> Nearly every other line of my "report" is similarly twisted or invented --
> for instance if you think there's no alternative between cutting down the
> trees in Central Park for heat and profligate non-conserving use of oil
> that also destroys the ozone layer, you're reading a script in your head,
> not my words. (For the record, we ourselves use less than half the heating
> oil we used in 1973, having improved the entire system, from insulation to
> burner nozzle -- how about you?)
>
> On the bright side, I've had many replies to my original commentary from
> folks who were profoundly grateful, said it moved them to tears. However
> if you want a pissing contest about who loves America best... I think we
> have to get in line. Right now the operative contest is about who knows
> better what god wants .... Jerry Falwell or bin Laden.
>
> And Happy New Year to all,
>
> Judy
>
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