From: Alejandro Lopez de Haro (alhr@wanadoo.fr)
Date: 02/26/02-04:19:42 PM Z
Hi John:
I am sure that Mr. Daguerre has already "roll over in his grave" more than
100 times. After all, how can one compare a yesterday's "shadow catchers"
with today's pixel catchers.
Alejandro López de Haro
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cremati" <johnjohnc@core.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Oleobrom and photographists
If this Daguerreotypist saw what changes were going on today in
photography, he would roll over in his grave...
Some other interesting things from this daguerreotypist's
autobiography was that you could have been a pig farmer and once you
learned how to make a photograph, you were called "Professor" with
immediate social class standings...He was making $20 to $50 per day as a
"Shadow Catcher", and when the Civil War broke out, he was making even
more than that, as all the enlisted men wanted daguerreotypes made of them
and their families.
Some of the Shadow Catchers would travel and to help finance the
expedition they sell any new formula that they would have . He noted that
he had spent $15 for a formula but felt that it was well worth it....
The book started in the spring 1850 in the beautiful farm lands
of Cleveland, Ohio with peach blossoms everywhere and ended in 1902 with the
industrial revolution in full swing , not even able to see a sun set...
John Cremati
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alejandro Lopez de Haro" <alhr@wanadoo.fr>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Oleobrom and photographists
> Hi John:
>
> Sorry, "I just can keep up with this modern technology". Somehow or
other,
> your email was buried under many other emails.
>
> I agree with the statement of "modern....." I admit I don't know anything
> about Photoshop, pixels, Epson printers, digital negatives, etc. I am from
> the old school of the 20th century. I work in the darkroom for negative
> development, and a light room for printing P/P.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alejandro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Cremati" <johnjohnc@core.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Oleobrom and photographists
>
>
> I have a old book on the autobiography of a Daguerreotypist and he
> claimed they used to call photographers " Shadow Catchers" in the 1850's.
> When the new photo processes started coming out he wrote " This modern
> technology, I just can't keep up..."
> John Cremati
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alejandro Lopez de Haro" <alhr@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Oleobrom and photographists
>
>
> > Hi John:
> >
> > Just to let you know, in Webster's Third New International Dictionary,
> > "photographist: photographer". Nothing else is written, no other
meaning.
> In
> > other words, photographist is another word for photographer. So nothing
> else
> > can be imply from this word. Although I admit, that the "graphist" part
of
> > the word, could possible imply a more expanded meaning, a mixture of a
> > photographer and a graphic maker. Perhaps is better to call
> photographers,
> > painters, drawers, photolithographs, etc. "image makers".
> >
> > Alejandro López de Haro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Grafist@aol.com>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oleobrom and photographists
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 09/02/02 15:26:26 GMT Standard Time,
> > sanking@clemson.edu
> > > writes:
> > >
> > > > BTW, what is a "photographist"?
> > > >
> > > > Sandy King
> > >
> > > Sandy, First,it was my slightly pretentious label for a person, like
> > myself,
> > > who practiced making images using photographic techniques.......but
not
> to
> > > the exclusion of other means, particularly those of hand brushwork
etc.,
> > > etc., Since I started way back in my early childhood with drawing,
> > painting
> > > and photography, but found after many years of following well trod
paths
> > that
> > > neither craft satisfied my desire to make marks on flat materials like
> > paper
> > > and canvas or to achieve aspects of abstract imagery, a merger of the
> > areas,
> > > then, apparently opposing fields of graphics presented itself to me in
a
> > > verbal way, as it were........I thought I had created a new
description
> > for
> > > myself which gave a clue to the non-photographer of what I was trying
to
> > do.
> > > One day several years later whilst browsing through my copy of "The
> > > Encyclopaedia of Photography" by Walter Woodbury 1890 (eighteen
ninety)
> I
> > > came across this definition " "Photographist" = A photographer."
(Page
> > > 518). It was worth the $10 I had paid for the book just to realize
that
> I
> > > had not been alone in the notion that an "alternative" concept of
> someone
> > > working with a camera and mixed media might well wish to be described
> > > differently to others working only with photography. Perhaps this
label
> > > would not suit everyone, but you must see it does arouse curiosity
even
> in
> > > those as well read as yourself....nezpah? I also felt it might
describe
> a
> > > photographer who still has a sense of humour ( U S humor) even tho'
> they
> > may
> > > be sitting on a cactus. All comments and ridicule welcome.
> > > And for Oleobrom....thanks Pete, Dennis and Sandy for the good
> technical
> > > references altho' I probably wont go into the wet hands mode just yet
> > awhile.
> > > Too much on my plate. I would just like to talk about the Oleobrom
> > process
> > > in a more knowledgeable way to students. Also, would appreciate
> > > communicating with Kirk Toft who is reputed to have helped many more
> > > vociferous people than himself to gain publicity with Oleobrom. I was
on
> > Gene
> > > Laughter's "B" (Bromoil) list awhile back, but since I am not a
> > bromoilista
> > > felt better in retiring back to the broader and more entertaining
field
> > of
> > > the "A" (Alternative) List since it is a very good sociological and
> > > linguistic study of internet communication as much as photographic
> > matters.
> > > But to stick within the topic of photo processes, Oleobrom sounds a
> > little
> > > like Oil Printing using factory paper material.
> > > BTW.Has anyone tried doing Gum prints on fixed out factory bromide
> paper?
> > I
> > > have not. Since I have recently reached "retirement" age and have
left
> > the
> > > job in Hell, I may now have some more time to devote to being a
> > > Photographist .
> > > This list is truly theraputic. Thanks.
> > > John -Photographist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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