From: Nick Makris (nick@mcn.org)
Date: 04/23/03-05:57:53 AM Z
Judy, what inks are you using in the 1160?
N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Inkjet digital negatives
>
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Sandy King wrote:
> >
> > Negatives on Pictorico from the pigment inks of the Epson 2000P hold
> > up very well to the type of abrasion you describe. I just
> > experimented with a discarded negative and was not able to disturb
> > the surface of the highlights even with rather heavy finger abrasion.
>
> That's my experience, too. In fact, as I wrote in digital neg article in
> P-F #8, when I ran my fingernail HARD down the film, it made an abrasion I
> could see when I looked at an angle but that did NOT show in the
> print. There may have been some, but I never did see scratches on
> Pictorico from the 1160. Of course I may lack that sensibility, but...
> could those scratches be situational ?
>
> I've found sleeve arrangements sold for negatives, from the sleeves for 35
> mm that you have to slide the strip in & out of to whatever you do for big
> negatives, unless they're simply interleaved and not put *in* anything you
> have to slide them out of, cause scratches.
>
> I keep 35 mm film in a single-folded permalife paper slightly longer &
> higher than the strip, 6 or 7 strips to a glassine envelope, one film
> strip per paper, so they're lifted out, not slid out. Same for large negs
> -- I made big "folders" of pH neutral corrugated board, hinged with tape
> along one long side. The negatives stack in them with clear interleaving
> between. The negs are "turned", one sheet at a time, so no need to slide
> them out... On a slide, the tiniest piece of grit, which can just be sky
> fallout or a loose atom, manages to scratch.
>
> Judy
>
> >
> > One thing you need to take care for with pigment inks is that they
> > require quite a long time to dry, perhaps even up to two hours more.
> > And this is true whether the pigment is on OHP or paper. Until dry it
> > is very easy to remove the pigment from paper or OHP with just every
> > so slight abrasion with your finger.
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Lee, We may be dealing in semantics here, since the term "easily" is
> > >relative. My take on the issue is that you may be able to make a
negative
> > >from the setup you are talking about, but that after making one print,
you
> > >will probably find that there are imperfections that weren't present
before.
> > >In my own case, during test, I checked my resulting neg by simply (read
that
> > >very, very lightly) touching the neg with my index finger in a
highlight
> > >area of the image. I feel that if you find any abrasion as a result of
the
> > >finger touch, the combination of the ink & substrate is not useful. It
> > >might be good to continue this discussion so that everyone can judge
for
> > >themselves and also, I would like to know how your negs hold up under a
> > >similar test.
> > >
> > >Many thanks......
> > >
> > >
> > >n
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "H. Lee Pratt" <squnch@cox.net>
> > >To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> > >Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 2:35 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Inkjet digital negatives
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello Nick,
> > >>
> > >> Just a note to tell you that I'm getting great digital negs on
> > >> Pictorico OHP using PiezographyBW software along with Cone's quad
black
> > >> inks, this on an "ancient" Epson Stylus Color 3000 (four-color)
printer.
> > >>
> > >> As many have pointed out, this OHP does scratch easily; and I think
> > >> probably Sandy's analysis of why this is so is valid. Handle with
Care!
> > >>
> > >> Lee
> > >>
> > >> On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Nick Makris wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Sandy,
> > >> >
> > >> > You will recall that I'm still looking for the right combination
of
> > >> > materials for digital negs - in my case, I am trying to use quad
black
> > >> > inks
> > >> > and not the spectral density approach from 4/6 color inks. So,
please
> > >> > don't
> > >> > misunderstand my question, but, are you now saying that negs
produced
> > >> > on
> > >> > your setup with the 2000 are not as stable as I once inferred from
a
> > >> > previous post? It could also be that my mind is going, but that's
> > >> > another
> > >> > story.
> > >> >
> > >> > Many thanks,
> > >> >
> > >> > N
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Sandy King" <sanking@CLEMSON.EDU>
> > >> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
> > >> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:38 AM
> > >> > Subject: Inkjet digital negatives
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> One of the shortcomings of digital negatives from inkjet printers
> > >> >> appears to be that they are much more subject to scratching than
> > >> >> negatives on film. I wonder if anyone has found a protective
surface
> > >> >> that can be easily applied without damaging the negative? Has
anyone
> > >> >> tried a clear coat of satin or semi-gloss polyurethane? And other
> > >> >> suggestions appreciated.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sandy King
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> H. Lee Pratt
> > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93108
> > >> squnch@cox.net
> > >> FAX: 805-565-1670
> > >> VOICE: 805-565-1240
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>
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