From: David Foy (dfoy@marketactics.com)
Date: 08/26/03-09:54:03 PM Z
Film factories of the world:
Kodak (USA, Canada (microfilm), Europe, China joint venture)
Fuji (Japan, USA, Netherlands, China joint venture)
Agfa (Singapore (?), Belgium, Germany)
Ferrania (Italy, USA)
Lucky (China)
Ilford (UK)
Ukraine (correct name? Svema? Smena? are they still in business?)
Russia(??)
Foma (Czech Republic)
Forte (Hungary)
Fotokemika (Croatia)
No longer in business:
Poland (absorbed by Foma)
Spain (former Ilford licensee, now vanished)
Slovenia (former Foma plant? warehouse? I'm lost here.)
ORWO (Original Wolfen, the East German Agfa, bankrupt recently and now
reselling Ilford films)
Oddball:
Tura (they coat something, but what? Everything else sourced elsewhere and
repackaged)
Maco (They slit and sheet, but don't coat: everything is repackaged from
someone else, mostly from Fotokemika?)
Bergger (repacking Forte, but anything else?)
Big questions:
South America?
India?
For sure: factories like Forte or Fotokemika only ship what they make. They
don't do factory runs of special versions of anything for repackagers like
Bergger or Maco. If you detect differences between Forte and Bergger
products, or Maco and Fotokemika products, it's due to something like age or
batch variation, not due to different processes. Yes, the differences you
see are real. But they're not different because of different production
forumulas. Possible exception: Maco may have an exclusive on one or two
Fotokemika ortho films, if Maco helped finance the emulsion's development.
Lots of guesswork in this list. Can anyone update and correct?
Film consumption worldwide is dropping rapidly, 3% annually and the rate of
decrease is speeding up (Photo Marketing Association data). I'll leave you
now, on that cheerful note.
David Foy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Buckels [mailto:jeffbuck@swcp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:18 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Test of J&C Classic 200
Sandy: You'd have to ask Fred Newman, but I'm pretty sure it's blue
channel.. That's interesting about all three of these films come out of
that plant in the Big H. I didn't know that.. -jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:54 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Test of J&C Classic 200
Jeff,
JandC Classic 200 is manufactured at the same plant in Hungary from whence
also comes Fortepan 400 and Berger BPF 200. I tested it also, exposing,
developing and plotting the film myself, with the 2:2:100 dilution of
Pyrocat-HD. JandC Classic 200 is quite similar to BPF but allows for
slightly greater expansion.
I based my testing and BTZS plotting on a desired DR of 1.75 (UV reading =
effective printing DR) for kallitype and palladium printing. At this DR I
got an EFS that varied from 200 at SBR 8 to 320 at SBR 5.5. You can see
partial results of the tests at
http://www.apug.org/site/main/viewtopic.php?t=1579
Regarding your tests, on what did you base the target DR? Visual, Blue, or
UV reading?
Sandy
Dear List: Here are the results of BTZS testing of J&C Classic 200 film.
This is exposure and plotting by View Camera Store, processing by me. The
developer is pyro WD2D, standard dilution, in trays. Agitation for initial
45 seconds, then once every 15 seconds©. The advertised ISO of this film is
(obviously) 200. I just noticed something I hadn't before now, viz., this
film is labeled "Made in Hungary." Does that tell us anything? Anyhow,
moment of silence for Maholy-Nagy (which, according to M-N's sister, would
be pronounced kind of like "ma-HOY NOOG")©.
J&C Classic 200
WD2D Pyro in Trays
Intermittent Agitation
Temp ~68-70F
Target DR of 1.4 (for pt/pd)
SBR EFS DEV
5.5 100+ 16'
6 100 14'
7 100- 10.5'
8 80+ 8.5'
9 80 7.5'
10 80 6.5'
11 80 5.5'
12 80 5'
Questions? Observations?
-JB
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