From: Fotoalquimia (info@fotoalquimia.com.ar)
Date: 10/22/03-09:45:29 PM Z
Mr Dave:
Let me tell that you are a gentleman. It´s not easy and usual to recognize
our
mistakes.
Osky( from the Argentinian Pampas)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rose" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Galina's website (apology)
> Dear Galina,
>
> I owe you (and others on this list) an apology. That my computer crashed
> while accessing your website was no excuse for me to post such an
> inappropriate, harshly worded criticism to this forum. I'll try not to be
> such an angry, inconsiderate butthead in the future.
>
> Since then, I've downloaded the latest version of Flash software and have
> revisited your site. No more computer crashes! Your work is beautiful
and
> the website presentation is exciting and imaginative. I still don't care
> for music on websites (unless it's a music website) but the "music on/off
"
> button did work during the most recent visit to your site. A non-flash,
> quick download alternate version of your site would be great for those on
> dial-up service.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Galina" <galina@online.no>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Galina's website
>
>
> Wow,
>
> what a reaction!
>
> Thank you all for responding, I am most grateful, both to those who
> said the nice things and those who were aggressive and hostile.
>
> There is no other way to find out if the art works, the only way is to
> show it to the wide audience.
>
> It has never been my intention to crash anyone's computers. As Gordon
> has kindly explained, flash programming is not working unless you have
> flash. There is a downloading possibility on the opening page of my
> site. Naturally, those who do some surfing on the internet know that
> advanced software demands some level of hardware and a high speed line.
> I hoped that people understand that.
>
> Anyway, I am currently working on a html version of the site, which is
> going to be more friendly towards those who do not have advanced
> equipment or are not so interested in computers. Html programming will
> allow me to show my video work and computer art.
>
> The site as it is now is a living creature, that is changing all the
> time. Each time you log in, it will be different. That is the way I
> want it to be.
>
> This site is a result of a long working and thinking process. I
> consider it an art work in itself.
>
> Programming and design is done in cooperation with two other artists
> whom I credit under "Linkspirations". It is a rather unusual and
> complex flash programming against a database, which allows me to put in
> new things all the time. It is based on a randomizing principle, so
> that a different thing would pope up each time you are logging in.
>
> It demands a certain amount of patience and interest to learn all the
> details and find all the images. I have made a similar work for a
> CD-rom project called 01 earlier. All computer art stuff demands that
> those who look at it have certain experience at looking at computer
> art. This is the youngest form of art and it is oriented towards
> computer games generation. I know that some people get very irritated
> by it, but I do not mind. Those people who stay with me are those, whom
> I want to reach actually.
>
> So it is OK, that Dave Rose will never visit me again. I am a bit upset
> that I have made him so angry, but I am not sorry and I will not
> apologize.
>
> It has been a lesson though, and I wonder if I myself have been just as
> hostile towards Sally Mann? Let me know.
>
> I am not as careful and gentle in choosing my words as Jack Fulton is,
> f.e. I am envious, Jack! Sorry, that is the way I am. I am not so
> afraid of getting reactions and getting hated. My life experience has
> taught me not to be afraid. I have given up the ambitions and the
> positions, which has given me more freedom in return.
>
> I was interested to join in on a discussion about Sally Mann as I think
> it is a question about a genius and a crowd. As Dostoevsky´s "Crime and
> punishment" is too. He is busy with God and morality, but I am not. I
> am busy with the genius. I am fascinated by the philosophical issues.
> How far can the genius go? Is it his responsibility if his work is
> misused and misinterpreted?
>
> That is why I mentioned Nabokov to begin with. Camille Paglia has
> wrtitten in one of her assays about how much "Lolita" has been misused
> and misinterpreted. But does that mean that he should have never
> written the book?
>
> I am giving up now. Perhaps I am not very clever to explain my ideas.
> Perhaps I should go and talk to Sally Mann directly instead?
>
> Pam, I have looked at Weston´s Cole, and I agree with you, it is a
> different thing. It shows love and affection, just as Lewis Carroll´s
> pictures do. Sally Mann´s photographs do not show love or affection. To
> my opinion, they are a coldly calculated success. The pictures are
> beautiful and impressive, but there are no genuine feelings behind.
> There is only a reference to some prohibited sensuality, which the
> genius knows that the crowd is going to love. I doubt very much that
> this pictures belong to a category of documentary photography either.
> Even though the children were running around naked naturally.
>
> I am closing down this discussion now from my side. Forgive me those
> who got offended.
>
> I am falling of this horse now as I am leaving for the west coast for a
> new project. No computers fort a while!
>
> Thank you all again for the response to my site, I really learn a lot
> from it!
>
> Regards,
>
> Galina.
>
> www.galina.no
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 19:14 Europe/Oslo, Gordon J. Holtslander
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Galina's web site (http://www.galina.no) requires Macromedia's current
> > flash plugin version 6 and a browser that supports it.
> >
> > Anyone trying to access it without this version of the plugin will have
> > problems, regardless of which browser or operating system they use.
> >
> > Web site designers have the choice of making a site that will work with
> > what is "commonly available" - though this is getting difficult to
> > determine now, or they can design a site that uses a very specific
> > interface that may not be on most people's systems.
> >
> > I do both - depending on the audience and the intende purpose of the
> > site.
> >
> > I make web pages that use only the standard hhtml that are intened for
> > a
> > very wide audience.
> >
> > I also make web pages as instructional tools that reqiure a specific
> > set
> > of plugins - why? The plugins allow me to present content that is not
> > possible to display without plugins - animations, scalable vector
> > graphics, and 3 dimensional interactive molecular models. I know these
> > sites will not be useful to people who have not got the apporpriate
> > plugins - but the content demands their use.
> >
> > Galina wants to present her material in a specific manner. It limits
> > its accessability. Its her choice. If it really bothers you, please
> > email her privately.
> >
> > There is an effort to make the type of content presented with Flash, an
> > open standard that can be built into web browsers, that will avoid the
> > issues people are having with Galina's site. Its called Scalable
> > Vector
> > Graphics (SVG) see http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or
> > http://www.moock.org/webdesign/svg/
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology
> > holtsg@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place
> > http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg University of Saskatchewan
> > Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
> > Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
>
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