Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes

I agree completely. What I said was assuming we really couldn't find the
article, then citing Phil Davis and mentioning the variations afterwards
would probably be ok; but since we have found the article, he should be
credited especially if open-ended tubes were used.

Dave S

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes

>
> Dave,
>
> No, I wrote up the procedure with just a broad concept in mind based
> on my own recent tests with stand and minimal development. But as far
> as I know David Kachel was the first person to suggest this
> particular variation on tube development, which as I recall he did in
> fact base in part on Phil Davis' use of BTZS tubes, so it can't see
> that it does any harm to cite those facts. I would much rather be
> accused of giving too many citations than of appropriating the
> intellectual product of someone else.
>
>
>
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
> >What I meant was if a variation is not so significantly new, I think it
is
> >ok to cite the reference to the person who originated the idea; in this
> >case, citing Phil Davis with a mention of variations after his would be
ok.
> >
> >But it's your paper/article, so it's your decision as I don't know if you
> >are using idea/information directly from David Kachel's article.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:20 PM
> >Subject: Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> For that matter I could probably just write it up and claim the idea
was
> >mine.
> >> But citing the source provides the opportunity to include a footnote
> >> which suggests that I am a highly educated person with a good memory.
> >> Neither condition may be true but appearance often trumps reality.
> >>
> >> Sandy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >Oh, I think I know the article you are referring to. I have also seen
it
> >> >very long time ago but can't remember either. I think it might be in
> >> >Darkroom Technique (or the name before that), but I thought for
> >> >Bibliography, you only need to cite the original idea rather than the
> >> >variations afterward.
> >> >
> >> >If I come across it I will let you know.
> >> >
> >> >Dave S
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
> >> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:00 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Dave,
> >> >>
> >> >> It was not Phil Davis. Phil introduced the BTZS type tubes in his
> >> >> book Beyond the Zone System but in this type of development the
tubes
> >> >> are capped on each end and and development is carried out in a
water
> >> >> bath with the lights on.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the article to which I refer the author recommends placing the
> >> >> film in open-ended PVC tubes and then developing the films in a
tray
> >> >> containing the developer, with the lights off of course.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sandy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Sandy,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If I remember correctly, it was Phil Davis. The procedure should
be
> >> >> >described in one of his book "Beyond The Zone System." While this
is
> >from
> >> >> >memory, I think it is correct since the tubes are also known as
BTZS
> >> >> >(abbreviation from the title of the book) tubes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dave S
> >> >> >
> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
> >> >> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:26 AM
> >> >> >Subject: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> A number of years ago someone wrote an article that was
published
> >in
> >> >> >> one of the national magazines that described how to develop
sheet
> >> >> >> film in open-ended PVC tubes in trays. This procedure offers
some
> >> >> >> advantages over normal tray development in that it gives 1)
very
> >even
> >> >> >> development with no edge hot spots, and 2) minimizes the
> >possibility
> >> >> >> of scratching that many experience in shuffle agitation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am describing this procedure in a current writing project
and
> >would
> >> >> >> like to give credit to the person who originally suggested the
> >> >> >> procedure but I am unable to locate it. Can anyone on the list
> >> >> >> provide any details to help me locate the article.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sandy
> > > >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Received on Wed Mar 31 13:36:32 2004