Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes

Dave,

No, I wrote up the procedure with just a broad concept in mind based
on my own recent tests with stand and minimal development. But as far
as I know David Kachel was the first person to suggest this
particular variation on tube development, which as I recall he did in
fact base in part on Phil Davis' use of BTZS tubes, so it can't see
that it does any harm to cite those facts. I would much rather be
accused of giving too many citations than of appropriating the
intellectual product of someone else.

Sandy

>What I meant was if a variation is not so significantly new, I think it is
>ok to cite the reference to the person who originated the idea; in this
>case, citing Phil Davis with a mention of variations after his would be ok.
>
>But it's your paper/article, so it's your decision as I don't know if you
>are using idea/information directly from David Kachel's article.
>
>Dave
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
>
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> For that matter I could probably just write it up and claim the idea was
>mine.
>> But citing the source provides the opportunity to include a footnote
>> which suggests that I am a highly educated person with a good memory.
>> Neither condition may be true but appearance often trumps reality.
>>
>> Sandy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Oh, I think I know the article you are referring to. I have also seen it
>> >very long time ago but can't remember either. I think it might be in
>> >Darkroom Technique (or the name before that), but I thought for
>> >Bibliography, you only need to cite the original idea rather than the
>> >variations afterward.
>> >
>> >If I come across it I will let you know.
>> >
>> >Dave S
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
>> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:00 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dave,
>> >>
>> >> It was not Phil Davis. Phil introduced the BTZS type tubes in his
>> >> book Beyond the Zone System but in this type of development the tubes
>> >> are capped on each end and and development is carried out in a water
>> >> bath with the lights on.
>> >>
>> >> In the article to which I refer the author recommends placing the
>> >> film in open-ended PVC tubes and then developing the films in a tray
>> >> containing the developer, with the lights off of course.
>> >>
>> >> Sandy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Sandy,
>> >> >
>> >> >If I remember correctly, it was Phil Davis. The procedure should be
>> >> >described in one of his book "Beyond The Zone System." While this is
>from
>> >> >memory, I think it is correct since the tubes are also known as BTZS
>> >> >(abbreviation from the title of the book) tubes.
>> >> >
>> >> >Dave S
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
>> >> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:26 AM
>> >> >Subject: Developing sheet film in open-ended PVC tubes
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> A number of years ago someone wrote an article that was published
>in
>> >> >> one of the national magazines that described how to develop sheet
>> >> >> film in open-ended PVC tubes in trays. This procedure offers some
>> >> >> advantages over normal tray development in that it gives 1) very
>even
>> >> >> development with no edge hot spots, and 2) minimizes the
>possibility
>> >> >> of scratching that many experience in shuffle agitation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am describing this procedure in a current writing project and
>would
>> >> >> like to give credit to the person who originally suggested the
>> >> >> procedure but I am unable to locate it. Can anyone on the list
>> >> >> provide any details to help me locate the article.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sandy
> > >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
Received on Wed Mar 31 13:23:23 2004