RE: Argyrotype Paper Problem

Darryl,

I merely stated that argyrotype is very paper sensitive and that is a
fact. There are many papers that give very good results with either
vandyke or kallitype that won't work at all with argyrotype.

The bottom line for me is that with argyroptype the chemistry is more
expensive, there is less choice in paper (and the best ones are very
expensive), the coating operation is tricker in that some Tween is
usually needed, and the final result is neither better, or even
different, from what can be obtained with either vandyke or
kallitype with less trouble and expense.

One of the advantages cited for argyrotype is that it offers more
permanence than vandyke and kallitype, and that may be true if you
don't tone your prints. But the fact of the matter is that for any
real permanence prints from all three of these processes must be
toned, and once that is done they all have about the same permanence.

OK, that is my opinion and it is based on quite a bit of experience
in working with argyrotype and in comparing results with vandyke and
kallitype. If someone else finds something unique about the process
that makes it worth the extra effort, my congratulations.

Sandy

>Dan, despite Sandy's condemnation, I print regularly on Cranes 90 lb
>cover and so do my students with good results. BFK doesn't cut the
>mustard in my experience, but Arches Platine is probably the best that
>I've tested. It's pretty expensive. Also, for introducing the process
>to a class I use Cranes Crest Wove stationary paper with good results.
>It isn't heavy and is watermarked.
>
>good luck
>
>Darryl
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dan jones [mailto:cacadanebay@pacbell.net]
>Sent: Thu 9/8/2005 10:32 AM
>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>Subject: RE: Argyrotype Paper Problem
>
>Darryl
>thanks for the ideas...i'll give them a try...
>my basic mix has no tween in it at all. the tween i
>bought from artcraft was marked "tween 20".
>as far as the type of paper...from what i have read,
>rives bfk and crane 90# cover were both listed along
>with a number of more expensive papers.
>
>--- "Baird, Darryl" <dbaird@umflint.edu> wrote:
>
>> sounds like a lot of Tween, but why not try to coat
>> without the puddle
>> pusher and at least eliminate that variable. Do you
>> use a lot of
>> pressure as you coat the sheet?
>>
>> if you still get splotches with a brush, eliminate
>> the tween, test
>> again
>>
>> FYI, I put about two to three drops per 100 ml (also
>> how concentrated
>> is your Teen mixture?)
>>
>> Darryl Baird
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dan jones [mailto:cacadanebay@pacbell.net]
>> Sent: Wed 9/7/2005 11:51 PM
>> To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>> Subject: Argyrotype Paper Problem
>>
>> I have recently started using the argyrotype process
>> and have run into a problem. Using Crane 90# cover
>> and
>> a puddle pusher , I am having very inconsistent
>> results.
>> I get an even coat, but sometimes I get a splotchy
>> effect that shows on the opposite side, and also in
>> the finished print. Is this a problem with the paper
>> or the amount of Tween that I am using (1-2 drops
>> per 5ml)?
>>
>>
Received on Thu Sep 8 10:11:03 2005