Re: that NY Times article

Hi,

I'm you neighbour (not a typo, In Canada we also spell neighbor with a
"u", colour, cheque, anyway,)from the North. I feel like a voyeur,
looking into my neighbours's house, eyes over the window sill,
listening. You can keep this thread going, I don't mind if you don't
mind my periodically chiming in.

  I'd like to take the opportunity to make an observation. I was in
University 1964-68, protested against the war in Vietnam. So I've been
following it around for a while. One thing that I have noticed, and my
colleagues in the department thought the same thing, you have very
limited information options in terms of variety. I look at the
American news channels we get up here, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBC, FOX, BRAVO,
SHOWCASE, PBS (2 different ones), and a whole other bunch I never look
at. They all say the same thing. I look at the reportage of the war in
Iraq and Katrina and all the news stations say the same thing. The
point of view is always the same. But hear, we also get the CBC News,
BBC, French and now that now neighbour hooked me to his second antenna,
German and Polish. On cable I can now get the Arab network, Al Jizerra.
  Like, are we on the same planet????? Certainly, if you compare the
Non_American News reporting and the American one, you sometimes have to
wonder. Are we talking about the same war in Iraq. There is an an out
and out civil war going on in Iraq, Shiites against Sunnis, and the
American news, well, we have the situation under control. There are
thousands and thousands of innocent civilians who have have died because
of this war. There's always going to be some collateral damage, is what
I hear from south of the border.

I that respect, I would venture that you have also been failed terribly
by the news media and journalists. Something happend to the news media
with the end of the war in Vietnam. The newsmedia had an important part
to play in ending that war. The images. Watch the war while eating
supper. Now, the media almost sounds prudish and apologetic. A white
  house briefing is a joke compared to other countries.

Anyway, I think that the role of the media merits some discussion.

By the way, I must have looked the other way, but could I have that URL
to the NY Times article on "Freud and the Fundamentalist Urge." I am
curious as to what Meine Herr Doktor Professor would say. I think that
  much of what Freud wrote concerning the human pysche has been found to
be sorely deficient, his conception of women, "a man without a penis"
But the there still remain some very interesting insights in his work
that call for a pause and reflection, for example, "Civilization and
its Discontents."

To give this the alt-photo-process imprimataur, I slowly getting into
Palladium printing. I'm learning. Right now, I do silver gelatin.

See around,
Ciao,
Bogdan

Judy Seigel wrote:
>
> The article Pam mentions is the article I recommended, probably so far
> into something else nobody saw it. I PROMISE it answers many of the
> questions brought up today and yesterday -- in terms, not just of
> naivete, or people being evil, but of -- excuse the expression, human
> nature.
>
> I think reading it would take this discussion to another level...in fact
> remove much of the animus, which it does seem is already lower. That's
> good. We've bottled up these feelings for "peace on the list" for years.
> If they come out now, for a while anyway, without hysterics and rage (or
> KILL THE MESSENGER as did happen briefly) it's better, not worse for
> "the list," which is after all a "community."
>
> I disagree that the discussion, conducted in civil terms, SHOULD be cut
> off before it's run its course -- which does seen almost if not entirely
> run now. And I don't think the analogy with, for example, Italian food
> holds... If information & ideas are exchanged civilly (& it's only been
> a couple of days) that IS more important than "gum curves." These are
> issues of life, death, justice, peace, democracy, and, very possibly ALL
> civilization or at least our own.... Fond as I am of Italian food,
> civilisation could stumble along if we never had another risotto.
>
> But again, READ THAT ARTICLE. Pam gives the URL.. It's a FASCINATING
> proposition... and after that, another book by Freud, "Civilization and
> its Discontents." Yeah, Freud is obsolete. (We're getting there too.)
>
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Judy Seigel wrote:
>
>>
>> ... this gives me opportunity to recommend an EXTREMELY insightful
>> article in today's NY Times magazine, titled "Freud and the
>> Fundamentalist Urge." Whoever tries to understand the craziness
>> latent in much of the world (and not just in the Reich, 1st, 2nd or
>> 3rd), would surely find much meaning here. (Who said, better to light
>> something or other than just curse the darkness?)
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>> that *worst case* does happen. (As one of my t-shirts shows with a
>> diagram of "Elements of Fascism," all of which already appear.) We do
>> need to fear it. The article I mention above does (really!) shed light
>> on how/why that happens.
>>
>> Judy
>
>
>

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   Bogdan Karasek
   Montréal, Québec            e-mail: bkarasek@videotron.ca
   Canada
                   "I photograph my reality"
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