Re: Carbon Printing

nadeaul@nbnet.nb.ca
Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:26:59 +0300

>>
>> I think Dupont and Ciba are now out of the permanent tricolor set business.
>>
>This is so, but Heubach carries most of the former Dupont pigment line,
>at least they did as of a year or so ago.
>
>> >The majority of pigments work fine with carbon printing, but some
>> >cause staining and fog, others will not disperse well in the gelatin
>> >solution, while others destroy the bond that holds the pigmented
>> >gelatin image on the final carrier.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Never heard tell of that one. Do you remember the culprit's name?

Oops, I just woke up. I did hear of that problem when the now defunct
Archical Color Co. had its material manufactured by McGraw Colorgraph (now
defunct too) in Burbank. I think we now know which yellow pigment they were
using;-)

>Yes, I do remember the offending pigment. It was a Dalamar Yellow HSD,
>Type YW-911-P of Dupont. Back in the early 1980s, perhpas in late

It's an azo class pigment. I still have a jar around here somewhere. I
rejected it because it was not that permanent.

>1981, Richard Kauffman recommended a set of three-color pigments for
>carbro work, very similar to the set you mentions in your History and
>Practice of Carbon Processes. The yellow of the set was Dalamare powder,
>then Dupont's YT 858D. Kauffman told me that the liquid dispersion
>Dalamare had not worked for him, but the hassle of having to mix
>the powderded pigment made me try anyway. It worked perfectly, except
>when I tried to develop the yellow relief on the plastic it simply
>washed off. The liquid dispersion was Dupont's YW-911-P, a 53% solid
>dispersion in water/ethylene glycol containing nonionic/aniionic
>surfactant blends. Perhaps you or somebody else out there would
>recognize why a pigmented gelatin relief would not adhere to the
>plastic during warm water development.

pigmented gelatin does not adhere to anything easily if it is fully swollen
with water but I presume you would not have made that mistake with the
yellow layer only. It could be that a property of the pigment gave it a
teflon like quality on its outer surface, which would have been the
equivalent of overexposure.

Luis Nadeau
NADEAUL@NBNET.NB.CA
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada