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RE: HP B9180 for digital negatives

Time will tell about the permanence of the HP pigment printers. However, I don't believe there is any doubt at all but that color prints made from the last two generations of Epson printers have the potential, depending on final support, for much better stability than prints made by any other color printing process, historical or contemporary, save three-color carbon and carbro type processes. I have enough color prints from the 2200 hanging around in very bright spots to know that they are very resistant to fading, and you can boil them in water and the color does not change. I would expect at least as much stability from the monochrome prints made with carbon pigmented ink sets. My personal opinion is that they will prove in the long run more stable than any type of silver print, assuming they are printed on the right kind of paper.

As for digital negatives, they appear highly resistant to UV. I have not seen any change in the UV printing density of digital negatives with multiple printings.

Sandy King

At 12:02 PM -0500 3/13/07, EJN Photo wrote:
Before anyone gets to excited by HP, Canon or new Espon Ink, I'd just like
to say that as fast as thing change that last thing you need to do is keep
reinventing the wheel. I haven't looked at Wilhelm's site lately, but just
because he post that something will last doesn't make it so.

I suppose that since you are talking digital negs you are not really after a
lasting image, but many will also use those very same ink sets to make
prints. Have fun : )

Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226

Skype : ejprinter
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:51 AM
 To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
 Subject: Re: HP B9180 for digital negatives


 I believe the nearest sister/brother in the Epson line to the
 B9180 is the R2400. In fact, Ted Harris has called the B9180 an
 "Epson 2400 killer" because of the performance and price.

 Will scan the arrays printed by the B9180 and send them when I
 get a chance.


 At 11:27 AM -0600 3/13/07, Michael Koch-Schulte wrote:
 >Wow! Maybe this does end Epson's hegemony of the printer
 market. Nahhh! What
 >Epson printer does one compare this to? The 1400, 1800 or
 2400? Does anyone
 >on the list have the little sister/brother to this printer the
 Deskjet 9800,
 >also a 13" printer (<$300)?. I think the 9180 has the archival
 ink set and
 >the 9800 uses dye-based inks. Sandy, if you would be so kind
 as to send me a
 >scan of the arrays when you've got a moment. Thanks.
 >p.s. for anyone interested in my RNP-Arrays they're posted at
 >hybridphoto.com under the Digital Negatives forum.
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Sandy King" <sanking@clemson.edu>
 >To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
 >Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:27 AM
 >Subject: HP B9180 for digital negatives
 >>  In conjunction with another person I just ran some tests
 for UV
 >>  blocking density with the HP B9180 printer, which is a 13"
 >>  pigment printer of similar characteristics and performance
 to the
 >>  Epsons 1800/2400.
 >>  The results are very encouraging. The UV blocking of Green
 by itself
 >>  in the PDN tonal palette is log 4.75, Red is log 2.58 and
 Blue is log
 >>  1.31. The practical consequence is that there is a wide
 range of
 >>  specific color matches on the PDN color palette that would
 work for
 >>  any given alternative process. I also checked Michael Koch-
 >>  color arrays and you can find multiple working squares
 there as well.
 >>  I will continue my tests today of this printer for
 smoothness and
 >>  Sandy King