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Re: Spanish Direct Carbon Workers. Attn Jusdado, Gago + All

Unfortunately this political connection with Echague and the Franco regime seems to have influenced some critics and historians, not only in Spain. It is difficult not to remember governments in power which use massive military force in other parts of the world to subjugate for financial profit. One might compose reasons why certain photographers living under these governments should be bannished and their work never brought to light. Leni Riefenstahl, German lady moviemaker, is brought to mind.
Nevertheless, the Museu National d ' Art de Catalunya gave their patronage to an Echague exhibition which was followed by a remarkable book publication.
Perhaps we should not continue this discussion on the List ( I sense there may be a flame war looming up) and pay more attention to Fresson and Direct Carbon techniques and try to forget the photographic work of Echague and details of his life and Spanish history. There were obviously thousands of ordinary folk using Direct Carbon materials. There could be, again, if only the barrier of financial viability could be negotiated.
Jusdado, Please clarify your personal email address so I can contact you, off List, if I wish.
John - Photographist - London - UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jusdado" <jusdado@teleline.es>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Spanish Direct Carbon Workers. Attn Jusdado, Gago + All

John Grocott escribió:
Jusdado, Are you communicating with University of Navarra? Have you seen the Echague archive there?
Best wishes.
John - Photographist -London - UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jusdado" <jusdado@teleline.es>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Why did Nadeau bug Echague re the Fresson secrets??

Dave Soemarko escribió:
Wow, this Fresson thing always comes back every few years.

So, it seems, there are four of you working on the Fresson/direct carbon/carbondir process: John Grocott, Art Chakalis, Luis Nadeau, and Dave Soemarko. Anyone else?

Technically speaking, Luis is not "working on" the process. He legally has
the secret to the Fresson process.

But as far as anyone working on the look of this process, I think that is
about it if we are talking about those on this list and those who has spoken
out. There must be many others in the world working on it. My memory is
fading, but one name that comes to my mind is something like Pierre Duncan.
He is in London, I believe, and if I remember it correctly, he was working
on some tricolor direct carbon process too. I don't think he is on the list.

He wrote me one time (a real letter through Post Office). I meant to write
him a reply, but out of busyness and switching of job, I didn't. I feel so
bad about it. John, you seem to know everybody. If you know and communicate
with Pierre, please tell him I apologize for being so rude.


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Hello to all In Spain it is commented that Echague bought an old machine to the house Agfa that used for its carbondir process. At the moment in Spain some photographers are working with process of direct coal: José Gago in Galicia (region of Spain) and my humble person in Cáceres - Extremadura - (another region of Spain). Time recently Sandy King was very near my house (50 kilometers), but when we could contact it was too much afternoon. I had liked Sandy to observe my works with this process and to have conversed on it. Excuse my English, text translated by computer.

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Hello John, Up to now I had not been happened the idea of contacting with the University of Navarrese (Bequeathed Ortiz Echague), but this same morning I have remitted them an e-mail to try to concert an appointment and power to see the documentation and files that they keep.
On the other hand, in Spain, Ortiz Echague doesn't enjoy good reputation between some picture practitioners and historians, not for photographic reasons, but because military fué and it was to the service of the general Franco's dictatorship. Particularly I don't understand what relationship it can have among the picture of Ortiz Echague and their participation in wars etc.
Ortiz Echague is good known outside of Spain that in its own Spanish earth.
I must also say that the picture critics in Spain don't consider any value to the picture pictorialista of times of Ortiz Echague. In Spain there was also more photographers than they used processes like rubber bircromatada (p.e. Conde de la Ventosa, etc.) and that neither anything is written on them. It is as if that time had stopped or it had not even existed. Pordon for my English, text translated by computer.