Re: Direct Carbon and Echague's Clues

["Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@montana.net>]

Hi John and Jusdado,
I wonder if a lot of the clues couldn't be found in the old literature under 
Artigue.  I just got back from a 2 1/2 wk trip (no phone and no internet) 
for the express purposes of plowing through all my gum notes undistracted, 
and of course have a bunch of different articles I have saved about the 
Artigue paper.  Perhaps that would be of interest to any? Of course, Artigue 
was a secret as was Fresson, but there were a bunch of people who made 
guesses as to what it was (Duchochois, the Austrians), and before Artigue 
came on the market it might be beneficial to see what was being done right 
before his discovery.  I've got the father and the son who developed the 
paper over a period of years, the son putting it on the market, but all say 
that the paper was definitely made with more than gum, and many that it was 
dusted on in a box. Gelatin, fish glue, sugar, are three ingredients that 
come to mind. Anway....I have to review Nadeau's chapter on such to see if 
he said it all anyway, but it is always good to have the original 
articles/books to double check--especially helpful when reviewing gum 
history about poor Pouncy.
Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jusdado" <jusdado@teleline.es>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Direct Carbon and Echague's Clues


John Grocott escribió:
> Hi Folks,
> Those of you who feel, like myself, that there is interesting work to be 
> done in discovering ways of making  D/C prints which are similar in 
> appearance to the Carbondir  prints of Jose Ortiz Echague  The following 
> sentence, taken from the translation, previously posted,  may suggest more 
> than a simple directive as  to a suitable base coating:-
>  *''The paper for direct carbon is made of a thin layer which is GENERALLY 
> gelatine ; ''*
> ** The meaning of the original Spanish word translated as GENERALLY may 
> not suggest that this layer is specifically gelatine.
>  Anyone closely acquainted with Spanish might construe something more 
> enlightening and helpful. But then many of Echagues clues are of this 
> nature where a slight  change in understanding would produce a surprising 
> change in results.
>  As ever. Happy hols.
>             John - Photographist - London - UK
>
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Hello to all:

Please tell me where he/she has found that sentence of Ortiz Echague and
that more wants to translate or to interpret. As me I am Spanish, he/she
could help in the interpretation.
GENERALLY in Spain it could be interpreted as 90% of the cases, leaving
alone 10% for other uses.
Then if Echague toward their layer GENERALLY with jello, we could say
that 90% or more than their mixtures it used jello and not any other
element.
The use of another product that was jello, could even be worthless for
our studies.
Thank you and pardon for my English, text translated by computer.