Was Re: Bromoil Video, now oil printing
Thank you for this, below, henk.
You mention oil printing. I notice in all the research I've been through,
mentions of "oil printing", "Rawlin's oil", now there is "gumoil" by Koenig,
etc. and I was wondering if you knew any of the differences? I mean, I know
"brom-oil" uses a bromide print as the basis (thus it is an enlarging
process which is a wonderful thing) but what I find interesting is that both
Puyo and Demachy did a fair amount of oil printing, in fact, Demachy quit
gum after 10 years and defected to oil printing if I remember my history
correctly. So I wonder what the processes are, and what was the draw.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "henk thijs" <henk.thijs@hetnet.nl>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: Bromoil Video
Hi Chris,
For comparing the two methods -David Lewis & Gryspeerdt- maybe i can give
you a bit of info:
In the method creating the bromoil print as such is no difference, both
work as a start with bromoil paper -Gryspeerdt used in his video Kentmere
DocArt- and David lets make his own bromoil-paper; in principle both are
more or less not hardened silver gelatine papers, the Kentmere is
structured and thinner.
Both are producing the matrix in the same way, both are using bromoil
brushes etc.
The difference is the treatment afterwards, for David Lewis the process
is ready (if not wishing to make a bromoil transfer) after inking, by
Gryspeerdt it is just a start when inking is done. He will now start
producing the image he wants (ugly items, eliminating 'wrong' doorsteps,
retouching .... ) by scraping ink away, using erasers, sandpaper etc. ;
he invests more time after the inking compared to the whole matrix making
and inking.
(Nowadays we would all do this with Photoshop in creating digital
negatives and making oilprints; far more easier ....)
Just maybe of interest for you: try to get more info about oil- printing
(in Davids book it is a bit poor on that item), it is in principle the
original process and especially when you have negatives for gum and some
chromate, to make the matrix is a piece of cake.
Best greetings to Lewis, I exchanged bromoil prints with him and i am
using his ink.
Have fun,
Cheers,
Henk
On 2 aug 2007, at 16:00, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
You think that's bad, George--there's a minimum overseas order of L100!
So
if someone wants to make a buck, they should buy 5 copies and sell on
Ebay
with Paypal.
I will be going down to North Carolina to assist David Lewis' 2 week
bromoil workshop August 10th, so I was hoping to get a copy to see
before I went down there so I could compare the methods.
Chris
----- Original Message ----- From: "George L Smyth" <glsmyth@yahoo.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Bromoil Video
Crumb, just noticed that regardless, there is a minimum order of 25
Euros,
so
I'm out of luck. I have created a daily search on eBay so that I'll
know
when
it comes available again.
Cheers -
george
--- Josh Verduzco <joshverd@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi George,
Youre right there is not a "buy this item" button. You have to find
the
"serial number" and put it into the order form:
https://www.silverprint.co.uk/orderform.html .
Josh
----Original Message Follows----
From: George L Smyth <glsmyth@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Bromoil Video
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Josh -
Thanks for the info. I actually had come across that page, but there
is
nowhere to select it for purchase. The description of the item is
there,
as
is
the price (apparently, as I am guessing that one of the two numbers in
the
lower right corner is a price), but I couldn't find anything to click
on
to
say, "Yes, I wish to buy this item." I came to the conclusion that
these
must
be prices that are available when you go to their physical store, as I
couldn't
figure out how to buy anything.
Cheers -
george
--- Josh Verduzco <joshverd@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi George,
> The DVD is available on the silverprint website:
> http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc12.html .
> Enjoy.
>
> Josh Verduzco
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: George L Smyth <glsmyth@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: Bromoil Video
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:41:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Thanks for the responses. I did find this site earlier (which is
where I
> looked at the click from the DVD), but I can't find anywhere on the
site
> that
> the DVD is actually available. It does say that someday it will be
sold
on
> eBay, but that's about it.
>
> Cheers -
>
> george
>
>
> --- dhowk <dhowk@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Try http://www.gryspeerdt.co.uk/ The DVD is excellent. From what
I
> > remember, his technique is somewhat different from a couple of
other
> > experts - Gene Laughter (Bromoil 101) and David Lewis (The Art
of
> > Bromoil & Transfer).
> > Doug Howk
> >
> > On Jul 29, 2007, at 7:03 PM, dklinker wrote:
> >
> > > Hi George if you do a google you will see that Normans son
Andrew
> > > runs a site where both the video and the DVD can be obtained.
Well
> > > worth trying to obtain a copy he was a real master of the
Bromoil
> > > process.
> > > Dennis Klinker
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "George L Smyth"
> > > <glsmyth@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Bromoil Video
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have been struggling with Bromoil and was hoping to find
the
> > >> video by Norman
> > >> Gryspeerdt, but without success. Does it exist anywhere? I
came
> > >> across some
> > >> snippets of the video and found it interesting that where
Gene
> > >> Laughter
> > >> describes a particular means of working with the ink by
gently
> > >> bouncing the
> > >> brush, Norman Gryspeerdt apparently smashes the brush into
the
> > >> print, basically
> > >> proving that there is no single way to do this.
> > >>
> > >> So if anyone could point me to a source for the video/ DVD
then I
> > >> would
> > >> appreciate the help.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers -
> > >>
> > >> george
> > >>
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