RE: Was Re: Bromoil Video, now oil printing
Hi Chris, I am typing from memory, so the info might not be 100% accurate, but it will give some basic idea. If you are reading old literature, sometimes the terms are not standardized, so you will have to read the details from the context. But oil printing refers to making a print (sort of like printmaking), but the original is made from a bromoil. Later people make enlarged negative to make print on gelatin coated paper like they do bromoil, and this can of course be printed in printmaking fashion aslo, and this is sometimes referred to as oil printing too. Karl Koenig's gumoil is different. He basically made exposure on gum-coated paper like we do gum bichromate, then coat the paper with printmaking ink (or oil painting paint, I forgot), then wait for it to dry a little bit, and repeatedly wipe the print with cloth (I forgot whether the print was damped first). The idea is that the ink would adhere to the hardened part stronger and not adhere so well to the unexposed part (because gum naturally absorbs water, and water repels oil), so the unexposed area got wiped off. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:24 AM > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: Was Re: Bromoil Video, now oil printing > > Thank you for this, below, henk. > > You mention oil printing. I notice in all the research I've > been through, mentions of "oil printing", "Rawlin's oil", now > there is "gumoil" by Koenig, etc. and I was wondering if you > knew any of the differences? I mean, I know "brom-oil" uses > a bromide print as the basis (thus it is an enlarging process > which is a wonderful thing) but what I find interesting is > that both Puyo and Demachy did a fair amount of oil printing, > in fact, Demachy quit gum after 10 years and defected to oil > printing if I remember my history correctly. So I wonder > what the processes are, and what was the draw. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "henk thijs" <henk.thijs@hetnet.nl> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:46 AM > Subject: Bromoil Video > > > > Hi Chris, > > For comparing the two methods -David Lewis & Gryspeerdt- > maybe i can > > give you a bit of info: > > In the method creating the bromoil print as such is no difference, > > both work as a start with bromoil paper -Gryspeerdt used in > his video > > Kentmere > > DocArt- and David lets make his own bromoil-paper; in > principle both > > are more or less not hardened silver gelatine papers, the > Kentmere is > > structured and thinner. > > Both are producing the matrix in the same way, both are > using bromoil > > brushes etc. > > The difference is the treatment afterwards, for David Lewis the > > process is ready (if not wishing to make a bromoil transfer) after > > inking, by Gryspeerdt it is just a start when inking is > done. He will > > now start producing the image he wants (ugly items, eliminating > > 'wrong' doorsteps, retouching .... ) by scraping ink away, using > > erasers, sandpaper etc. ; he invests more time after the inking > > compared to the whole matrix making and inking. > > (Nowadays we would all do this with Photoshop in creating digital > > negatives and making oilprints; far more easier ....) Just maybe of > > interest for you: try to get more info about oil- printing > (in Davids > > book it is a bit poor on that item), it is in principle > the original > > process and especially when you have negatives for gum and some > > chromate, to make the matrix is a piece of cake. > > Best greetings to Lewis, I exchanged bromoil prints with > him and i am > > using his ink. > > Have fun, > > Cheers, > > Henk > > > > > > > > On 2 aug 2007, at 16:00, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > > > >> You think that's bad, George--there's a minimum overseas > order of L100! > >> So > >> if someone wants to make a buck, they should buy 5 copies > and sell > >> on Ebay with Paypal. > >> > >> I will be going down to North Carolina to assist David > Lewis' 2 week > >> bromoil workshop August 10th, so I was hoping to get a > copy to see > >> before I went down there so I could compare the methods. > >> Chris > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George L Smyth" > >> <glsmyth@yahoo.com> > >> To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:37 AM > >> Subject: Re: Bromoil Video > >> > >> > >>> Crumb, just noticed that regardless, there is a minimum > order of 25 > >>> Euros, so I'm out of luck. I have created a daily search > on eBay so > >>> that I'll know when it comes available again. > >>> > >>> Cheers - > >>> > >>> george > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Josh Verduzco <joshverd@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi George, > >>>> > >>>> Youre right there is not a "buy this item" button. You have to > >>>> find the "serial number" and put it into the order form: > >>>> https://www.silverprint.co.uk/orderform.html . > >>>> > >>>> Josh > >>>> > >>>> ----Original Message Follows---- > >>>> From: George L Smyth <glsmyth@yahoo.com> > >>>> Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > >>>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > >>>> Subject: Re: Bromoil Video > >>>> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT) > >>>> > >>>> Josh - > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the info. I actually had come across that page, but > >>>> there is nowhere to select it for purchase. The > description of the > >>>> item is there, as is the price (apparently, as I am > guessing that > >>>> one of the two numbers in the lower right corner is a > price), but > >>>> I couldn't find anything to click on to say, "Yes, I > wish to buy > >>>> this item." I came to the conclusion that these must be prices > >>>> that are available when you go to their physical store, as I > >>>> couldn't figure out how to buy anything. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers - > >>>> > >>>> george > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- Josh Verduzco <joshverd@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Hi George, > >>>> > The DVD is available on the silverprint website: > >>>> > http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc12.html . > >>>> > Enjoy. > >>>> > > >>>> > Josh Verduzco > >>>> > > >>>> > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: George L Smyth > >>>> <glsmyth@yahoo.com> > Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > > >>>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca > Subject: Re: Bromoil > Video > > >>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:41:50 -0700 (PDT) > > Thanks for the > >>>> responses. I did find this site earlier (which is where I > > >>>> looked at the click from the DVD), but I can't find anywhere on > >>>> the site > that > the DVD is actually available. It does say > >>>> that someday it will be sold on > eBay, but that's about it. > >>>> > > >>>> > Cheers - > >>>> > > >>>> > george > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > --- dhowk <dhowk@comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > Try http://www.gryspeerdt.co.uk/ The DVD is > excellent. From > >>>> what I > > remember, his technique is somewhat > different from a > >>>> couple of other > > experts - Gene Laughter (Bromoil 101) and > >>>> David Lewis (The Art of > > Bromoil & Transfer). > >>>> > > Doug Howk > >>>> > > > >>>> > > On Jul 29, 2007, at 7:03 PM, dklinker wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hi George if you do a google you will see that > Normans son > >>>> Andrew > > > runs a site where both the video and the > DVD can be > >>>> obtained. > >>>> Well > >>>> > > > worth trying to obtain a copy he was a real > master of the > >>>> Bromoil > > > process. > >>>> > > > Dennis Klinker > >>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "George L Smyth" > >>>> > > > <glsmyth@yahoo.com> > >>>> > > > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, > >>>> July 29, 2007 11:09 PM > > > Subject: Bromoil Video > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> I have been struggling with Bromoil and was > hoping to > >>>> find the > > >> video by Norman > > >> Gryspeerdt, > but without > >>>> success. Does it exist anywhere? I came > > >> > across some > > >>>> > >> snippets of the video and found it interesting that where > >>>> Gene > > >> Laughter > > >> describes a particular means of > >>>> working with the ink by gently > > >> bouncing the > > >> > >>>> brush, Norman Gryspeerdt apparently smashes the brush > into the > > >>>> > >> print, basically > > >> proving that there is no > single way > >>>> to do this. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> So if anyone could point me to a source for the > video/ DVD > >>>> then I > > >> would > > >> appreciate the help. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> Cheers - > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> george > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> ------------------------------------- > >>>> > > >> Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com > >>>> > > >> One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com > >>>> > > >> DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> Handmade Photographic Images: > http://www.GLSmyth.com - > >>>> Blog: > >>>> > > >> GLSmyth.Wordpress.com > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > ------------------------------------- > >>>> > > >>>> > Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com > >>>> > One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com > >>>> > DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org > >>>> > > >>>> > Handmade Photographic Images: > http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: > >>>> > GLSmyth.Wordpress.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > http://newlivehotmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com > >>>> One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com > >>>> DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org > >>>> > >>>> Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: > >>>> GLSmyth.Wordpress.com > >>>> > >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > >>> us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------- > >>> Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com > >>> One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com > >>> DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org > >>> > >>> Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: > >>> GLSmyth.Wordpress.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
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