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Re: Bleach and Direct Carbon / Direct Carbon Paper Available on TheMarket?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Loris Medici wrote:

... I will join the military force for six months obligatory
military service this Wednesday!)
We'll miss you Loris... I guess you're really a young whippersnapper to be called up for the military (unless you're a general, or like that, which is also possible !).

But it's nearly 11:30 PM Tuesday in New York, so it's probably about 5AM Wednesday over there -- meaning you're gone, or nearly gone... But if you manage to read this, here's best of luck to you and best wishes for a good assignment, or at least a tolerable one. (Have they got a gum bichromate brigade? Or perhaps a photo division?)

Meanwhile I have a couple of questions about direct carbon myself. I take it from this discussion that a direct carbon paper would be, unlike carbon transfer paper, which as I recall Bostick and Sullivan had begun to market (tho I haven't heard much about it lately), exposed under a negative, then, after developing in an appropriate manner, would become the print itself. But I don't see how you'd do multiple coats with that, in the way you could with transfer, so the whole operation would be much trickier -- you'd only get one chance at it?!

Is that correct? Or could you cheat by adding a coat (or coats) of your own to the developed "direct carbon" ?

About list membership status of Mike Ware: Most probably / as I know it, but
why don't you ask him directly if you want to be perfectly sure?
Mike Ware was on the list in the beginning, but apparently left quite some time ago... unless he's secretly tuned in.... (tho if so he's managed to keep perfectly mum).

Reply to 2:
 To me, alt-processeses are all
about being hand-made, self-made; I like to be able to choose the material
(paper, pigments ect.) to my liking and artistic(!) vision, plus, I need to
able to purchase them locally. (Both very important points.)
For better or worse, nowhere is it written what "alt-process" must be or mean... tho lately there's been much mention of traditional "factory" silver gelatin paper as now being "alt."

So one person's "alt" is another's mainstream. I also suspect the average viewer could hardly tell the difference, at least in monochrome. I remember about 1988 a fellow from Texas printing gum bichromate on fabric, doing 3 superimposed coats of black. Many folks who saw it took it for platinum.

Yes, conceptually, we still need factory made material / tools in order to
make the negatives (either film or digital), but the more I'm free /
independent the better the process is to me...

Therefore, to me, a ready-made direct carbon paper isn't interesting /
desirable at all - unless it provides a quality irreplaceable by other
means. ???
You're probably in the majority with that.... But "irreplaceable" can also be a subjective judgement... no?

And regards to you Loris... May you return to us safe and sound, possibly even with some negatives that will make "interesting" and "desirable" direct carbons...