Re: Bleach and Direct Carbon / Direct Carbon Paper Available on TheMarket?
Reply to 1: Discovered? Let's say "have recently been made aware of" - that sounds more correct. I may wish to try something else just for fun and/or the sake of it (struggling makes you learn many many things), but only if I have the luxury of sparing time for it in that specific slice of time. Plus, I forgot, I may also need some incentive: Unfortunately, I have much less time - compared to what I would like to have - for practicing photography / experimenting with new processes. I work in a full time job and I can only experiment in night time, photograph in the weekends. (Let's say it was so until two weeks ago - since I left my job then, because I will join the military force for six months obligatory military service this Wednesday!) Therefore, the incentive should be pretty strong - in my case. That's why I'm asking so perseveringly -> about your results, pros and cons of your process. I can't sense that incentive - yet. (And I consider myself as a pretty eager person.) We'll see how I'll feel 6-7 months later (maybe a little bit more)... About list membership status of Mike Ware: Most probably / as I know it, but why don't you ask him directly if you want to be perfectly sure? Reply to 2: Even though I understand that the "hand made" quality - that I assume we're all after - exist in the development phase of your process, I think it's not strong enough to justify the usage a PIA off-standard process. (In other words: an alt-process. By standard I mean current technology such as: inkjet, lightjet, lambda, ilfochrome ect...) To me, alt-processeses are all about being hand-made, self-made; I like to be able to choose the material (paper, pigments ect.) to my liking and artistic(!) vision, plus, I need to able to purchase them locally. (Both very important points.) Yes, conceptually, we still need factory made material / tools in order to make the negatives (either film or digital), but the more I'm free / independent the better the process is to me... Therefore, to me, a ready-made direct carbon paper isn't interesting / desirable at all - unless it provides a quality irreplaceable by other means. ??? Regards, Loris. > Quotation 1 > ----------- > From: John Grocott <john.grocott403@ntlworld.com> > Reply-To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:58:23 +0000 > To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Subject: Re: Re. Bleach and Direct Carbon > > Loris, > You state that the Bleach Gum process you have recently discovered > is quite satisfactory to your liking, but I sense that you may wish to try > something else as you are an educator and experimenter, yourself. All I can > suggest is that you look back thru' the archives and be aware that I am not > the only one working on the commercial production of a Direct Carbon paper. > > Out of respect I cannot mention names, at present, for many > reasons. > > From the speed at which you appear to have managed to assimilate the > information from Marek on Bleach Gum, there should be no need for me to go > over all the clues I have given in the past. > > All I will say, again, is that the ''Arvel'' process looks as if it is the > nearest to my own. There were no published formulae for the ''Arvel'' > coatings as with the more well known Fresson sawdust process. > > If this really means anything to you I know you will pursue the research and > then you will have your secrets, too. You seem to have all the fascilities > available at your disposal to do this. > > Are you sure Dr.Mike Ware is not a member of this List ? > > More prints on w/s to mystify in due course. > > Ciao for now. > > John - Photographist - London - UK > Quotation 2 > ----------- > From: John Grocott <john.grocott403@ntlworld.com> > Reply-To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:32:22 +0000 > To: The List <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca> > Subject: Direct Carbon Paper Available on The Market ? > > Direct Carbon Paper > > To The Thousands Reading This Posting, > > It may be some long time, if ever, before a Direct Carbon Print Paper will > become available on the market, again. But if and when it is seen to be a > viable, commercial financial proposition, what should the attributes of such > an alternative photo product offer the potential customer ? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > 1. Good quality paper base. Possibly, the choice of the buyer. > 2. Coated but unsensitized ready for immersion in a low percentage solution. > 3. Development with no issues of temperature control of solutions. > 4. Instructions on UV exposure. > 5. Control of the density and detail by various means of abrasion ; spray, > sawdust, brush, foam pad etc.' > > Will this mythical paper ever be available to buy, again ? Who or what will > decide the issue ? > > Has anyone yet devised an exploitable process to make the above a reality for > an individual or a corporate company ? > > Maybe its better to leave the secrets in the hands of a few. > > Have a Nice Day. > > Cheers > John - Photographist -London - UK
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