Re: Réf. : Re: Fresson = Echague Look.

[Sandy King <sanking@clemson.edu>]

Title: Re: Réf. : Re: Fresson = Echague Look.

Phillippe,

I would think so but have never done it myself.

Perhaps Art Chaklis will comment on the feasibility of this.

Sandy

At 7:19 PM +0100 1/16/08, Philippe Berger wrote:

> Sandy,
>  
> Just a question, is it possible to making
> a Carbon Direct without this coating machine ?
> I thing "Yes", i am a process
> for coating on paper a carbon direct but i am not a good Carbon Direct
> Formulary
>  
> Philippe
>  
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> -------Message
> original-------
>  
> De : Sandy King
> Date : 16/01/2008
> 19:12:54
> A : achakali@wideopenwest.com;
>  alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Sujet : Re: Fresson =
> Echague Look.
>  
> Ortiz Echague does appear to have had
> problems with the coating
> machine. When I was in Madrid in the
> mid-80s doing my research for a
> book on pictorial photography in Spain I
> met a member of the Real
> Sociedad Fotografica who had worked with
> Echague on many occasions in
> his laboratory. He told me that Echague
> had experienced many
> difficulties in getting a good coating,
> and that the number of prints
> that he actually made with papers from
> the machine were very small
> compared to the number he made with
> papers manufactured by the
> Fresson family.
>  
> Sandy
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  
> At 11:36 AM -0600 1/16/08, achakali@wideopenwest.com
> wrote:
> >Tom,
> >
> >The Fresson's have never patented
> anything.  If they had it wouldn't be a
> >secret but rather a public
> document.  Their process is a trade secret.
> >
> >Ortiz was sold a Fresson coating
> machine and formula according to Bill
> >Foster (Bill printed in Fresson when
> the paper had been available to him, he
> >knew and photographed with
> Oritz).  Oritz purchased Fresson paper from the
> >Fresson's up until he bought the
> machine and formula.  It is Bill's belief
> >that the machine never really
> functioned properly as he never saw any new
> >work from Ortiz once the machine
> showed up . . . this might explain why no
> >one has ever seen a print from Nadeau
> who is the current owner of the
> >machine.
> >
> >Sincerely, Art
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:19:27 +0100,
> Tom Sobota wrote
> >>  John,
> >>
> >>  I remember reading
> somewhere that in the 1960's there were several
> >>  Fressons who were
> descendants of the inventor of the method. One of
> >>  them sold the patent
> to Ortiz. The others are still active with the
> >>  process at the
> Atelier Fresson. Probably at that time there existed
> >>  two or more
> machines.
> >>
> >>  Tom
> Sobota
> >>  Madrid,
> Spain
> >>
> >>  John Grocott
> wrote:
> >>  > Hi
> All,
> >>  >              Jose Ortiz Echague,
> undoubtedly,  though the galactic
> >>  > amount
> of  successful prints he made by Fresson
> methods,  has become
> >>  > almost
> synonymous with this Direct Carbon process.
> >>  >
> >>  >                Other  well known photographers such as Sheila
> >>  > Metzner had
> their pictures made by the Fressons. Echague, himself,
> >>  > worked with the
> Direct Carbon paper which was sold to him.  The
> Fressons
> >>  > gave Echague the
> formulae for the emulsions together with the machine to
> >>  > mass produce the
> paper for himself  since they discontinued making
> it
> >>  > for commercial
> sales.  One wonders how  the Fressons continued to
> make
> >>  > the paper, as
> they still do to this very day for their own use, if they
> >>  > never had
> another  machine or alternative method standing
> >by..............
> >>  >
> >>  > I am dabbling
> with plans to make a machine tho' most of
> my  Direct
> >>  > Carbon coating
> methods have so far been successfully  done, by
> >>  > hand, without a
> machine.
> >>  >
> >>  > Marek seems to
> be achieving good results, also,  without a
> machine.
> >>  >
> >>  > Hey Ho. The
> quest goes on +on + on + on + on.............
> >>  >
> >>  > John -
> Photographist - London - UK
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >
> >
> >--
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