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RE: math question verrrrrry off topic



Wow, that guy had the nerve to ask it. I know teachers/professors hate that
question even when someone ask it after missing JUST ONE class.


Dave  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katharine Thayer [mailto:kthayer@pacifier.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:35 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic
> 
> While we're way off topic, once when I was teaching 
> statistics, a guy appeared at my office door just as I was 
> going to the classroom to give the last lecture of the term, 
> and said, "I haven't come to class all term; have I missed 
> anything?"  True story.
> kt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Dave S wrote:
> 
> > Well, I am OT again. If it gets too much, just let me know. I don't 
> > know, somehow as I grow older, I seem to like things on the lighter 
> > side.
> >
> > Tonight I went to a meeting. I worked with university 
> students a lot.
> > Tonight I chatted to a young sophomore. He is really a smart guy.  
> > During the
> > chat, I asked him how early did he have to go to school 
> (because it is 
> > cold here in MI in the morning). He said it doesn't matter 
> because he 
> > skipped most of his classes (he is an engineering student. 
> Engineering 
> > subjects are more standardized and "fixed" especially for 
> > freshmen/sophomores so you can learn them yourself from 
> textbook and 
> > homeworks).
> >
> > Then he said, "for my 1st and 3rd semester I skipped almost all the 
> > classes, and I got a GPA of 3.9. The 2nd semester I attended almost 
> > all of my classes, and I got a GPA of 3.6; so my conclusion 
> is it is 
> > better to skip classes."
> >
> > Talk about making conclusion from statistical data, huh?   :-)
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Katharine Thayer [mailto:kthayer@pacifier.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:49 PM
> >> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> >> Subject: Re: math question verrrrrry off topic
> >>
> >> :--)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 18, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Diana Bloomfield wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey Katharine,
> >>>
> >>> I don't know-- maybe.  I honestly didn't read the other 
> answers.  :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Katharine Thayer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hmm, I thought that's what we all already have said, isn't it?
> >>>> That that theoretical probability (1/4x1/4x1/4) would 
> hold only if 
> >>>> assumptions were met,  and since assumptions are 
> obviously not met 
> >>>> (for example, judging is not a random lottery of course
> >>>>
> >> but is done
> >>
> >>>> on the basis of criteria, arbitrary or otherwise but 
> certainly not 
> >>>> random).  Also, no one has said whether the 600 entries
> >>>>
> >> are 600 works
> >>
> >>>> or 600 people; I was assuming that they are 600 works 
> representing 
> >>>> fewer than 600 people, in other words people could submit
> >>>>
> >> more than
> >>
> >>>> one work, in which case, as I said, the number of works
> >>>>
> >> submitted per
> >>
> >>>> person would also have to be figured into the equation somehow.
> >>>> Besides, if one person submits ten pieces and another
> >>>>
> >> person submits
> >>
> >>>> one, the ten pieces by the one person couldn't be considered 
> >>>> independent entries in the same way one of those ten could be 
> >>>> considered independent of the one from the other person, and 
> >>>> independence is also an assumption that must be met in order to 
> >>>> consider the probability of acceptance to be the same for all 
> >>>> entries.
> >>>> Katharine
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Diana Bloomfield wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Okay, Chris.  Here is it-- straight from my resident 
> statistician
> >>>>> here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If they were the only 3 people from that institution 
> who applied, 
> >>>>> AND if judging was completely random, then the
> >>>>>
> >> probability of this
> >>
> >>>>> is roughly 1 in 64 (key word: roughly).  If more than
> >>>>>
> >> that applied
> >>
> >>>>> from this same institution, and only 3 got in, then the
> >>>>>
> >> calculation
> >>
> >>>>> will be more complex.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope that helps. :)
> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Where else but this list can I ask these weird questions about 
> >>>>>> chemistry and math and computers and alt???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OK for you math people (Yves?):  If there is a show and 600 
> >>>>>> entries, and 150 are accepted, there is a 1 in 4 chance of 
> >>>>>> acceptance.  If 3 people from the same institution are 
> accepted 
> >>>>>> what percent chance is that--is it 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 or a
> >>>>>>
> >> 1.5% chance
> >>
> >>>>>> or is it a more complex formula?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Forgive the off topic request but it does relate to
> >>>>>>
> >> photo as 3 of
> >>
> >>>>>> our program got into a photo show and I want to be able to 
> >>>>>> mathematically brag about it to the dept. head/dean.
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
> >>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>> Photo Option Coordinator
> >>>>>> Montana State University
> >>>>>> CZAphotography.com
> >>>>>> _______________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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