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Re: new subject line about ...... aaaggghhh!!!! ...."consensus'!



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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Judy Seigel <jseigel@panix.com> wrote:
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>  On Sat, 3 May 2008, Sandy King wrote:
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> > Ahhhhh, the old gum pigment test. Now that bring back a lot of memories
> from the past.
> >
> > Just wondering, was there ever a consensus as to whether it actually works
> or not?
> >
>
>  Oh Sandy, you're just saying that to torture me.  How could it possibly
> "work"? -- you know better than that !!!
>
>  As for "consensus," puleeze !!! Consensus in the time of Galileo was that
> the sun revolved around the earth; in the time of the pilgrims, that girls &
> women were witches and had intercourse with the devil (hmmmmm); then there
> was the "consensus" that if women wore "bloomers" it would interfere with
> fertility -- also, if memory serves -- that the earth was flat.
>
>  In fact the whole thing that drove me to distraction, was EXACTLY the
> "consensus" among the contemporary books that cut & pasted that nonsense
> from each other OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT TESTING IT !!!!!....  Including the
> consensus on this list -- from people who dutifully went through the entire
> rigamarole, but never "tested" it against anything, just accepted the
> "findings."  (Great science !)
>
>  grrrr...
>
>  I note, BTW, that my "test" was simplicity itself, but I hope you're happy
> now that I've given you the satisfaction of jumping up & down.... Meanwhile,
> however, um.... did you READ my critique in P-F # 9? "Engineering Gum
> Bichromate," beginning page 48. If not, go stand in the corner... If you're
> still trying to torture me, do the tests on page 49... ESPECIALLY "C."  (And
> for extra credit, send me the strip!)
>
>  Test A shows that the more dichromate, the more stain, nothing to do with
> the amount of pigment. Test B shows a related effect with a different color,
> & Test C shows that a strip exposed WITH the dichromate makes a very nice
> scale and clears well, while the identical (IDENTICAL!) material WITHOUT THE
> DICHROMATE simply fogs, that is, doesn't clear at all. (As I said in the
> caption, "Need I say more?")
>
>  I'll add, by the way, that another of Paul Anderson's claims (read "wildly
> mistaken surmises" also IIRC copied freely & thoughtlessly) is even easier
> to debunk. For some reason he decided that the more pigment you had, the
> more tones you could get, tho the exact opposite is true:  As I showed in an
> earlier P-F, the greater density blocks up the shadows, so you get
> ***fewer*** steps.
>
>  But maybe you're being nice ?  You just want to get folks to say "Judy was
> right" ???
>
>  Well, she was... Thanks !!!
>
>  Judy
>
>
> >
> > > At 3:20 PM -0400 5/3/08, Judy Seigel wrote:
> > >
> > > PS. The "literature" gives a fair sampling of the level of mainstream
> publishers' books on "alt", as reviewed in various Post-Factory's -- for
> instance Robert Hirsch's chapter on alternative processes has some
> world-class idiocies, not from actual testing or printing, but from mental
> telepathy while chewing on a color chart.  Ditto for John Schaefer's "Ansel
> Adams Guide II" -- IMAGINE: in the name of Ansel Adams (tho maybe it serves
> him right?) as reviewed in an early P-F by John Rudiak & myself.... And
> those are just the two that leap to mind.  (Something tells me I may have
> mentioned the "gum-pigment ratio test" -- religiously cut and pasted right
> down the line -- already.)
> > >
> > > PS.  Chris, who is  Sarah Vowell?
> > >
> > > J.
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