Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs

[Jeremy Moore <jeremydmoore@gmail.com>]

I am using the regular NON-Ultra for Pt/Pd, cyanotype, salt prints,
albumen, and gum with no problems. I get newton rings when using the
Ultra Premium and had to spray the back of the negatives with a non-UV
blocking Krylon matte finish to get rid of the interference patterns
against the glass of the NuArc, no problems at all with Newton's rings
and the NON-Ultra.

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:46 PM, BOB KISS <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
> DEAR MARK,
>
>             Thanks for the clarification.  Yes, the 17" should do it.
>
>             Still wondering about that "extreme density" issue.  Please
> recall that I mentioned that I have used ImageSetter negatives with
> excellent resulting PT/PD prints.  They produced pretty high densities.
>  What do you mean by extreme?  Can you give me a number?  Have you ever
> needed those densities  I can drag out my densitometer and read one of my
> ImageSetter negs.   Also, what kind of increase in exposure does the Ultra
> require.  25%?  50%  Double?  More?
>
>             I am sorry to be so persistent about this but, as I live in
> Barbados, it will cost me a LOT of money to ship this stuff in.  If I am
> wrong I will be stuck with it and still have to get a replacement.
>
>                         CHEERS!
>
>                                     BOB
>
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> From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
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>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> I found the curing time with the 3800 inks to be about half an hour for the
> Ultra and an hour for the Premium OHP.  Not a big difference, since you will
> probably have some time between printing the negative and making the print
> anyway.  You can also hurry the curing with a hair dryer.
>
>
>
> Imagine that you were feeding the roll of Pictorico into the printer from a
> roll feeder—that is the direction you want to have the curl going.  you
> should be fine with the 17"—it is perfect for the 3800.
>
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> The extra ink holding capacity would only be necessary if you need extreme
> densities.  I think you will be fine with Premium OHP instead of the Ultra
> OHP.
>
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>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> Mark Nelson
>
> Precision Digital Negatives
>
> PDN Print Forum @ Yahoo! Groups
>
> Mark Nelson Photogrphy
>
> On May 21, 2008, at 1:17:24 PM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>
> From:
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> "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com>
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> Subject:
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> RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
> Date:
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> May 21, 2008 1:17:24 PM CDT
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> To:
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> alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
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> DEAR MARK,
>
>             Thanks to you and all others for the great info.
>
> *********Yet one more question.  I use a NuArc 26-1ks plate burner and have
> always had very reasonable exposure times with ImageSetter negatives.  Given
> that I will be making negs mostly for PT/PD printing are there any real
> advantages to using the Ultra Premium over the Premium?  Will I need that
> extra ink holding capacity?  The scratch resistance sounds useful and the
> faster curing sounds even more important.  How long do the Ultra Premium and
> Premium respectively take to cure?
>
>             Re:  Cutting the film and curl.  Below you stated, "When you cut
> sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that the curl of
> the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than the
> direction of the print head travel."  I want to make 16X20 prints.  If I buy
> the 17" wide roll, this dictates that I must cut the film about 22" long
> (brochure says max size 17X22 and I want the extra clear film outside my
> 16X20 image area) and that dictates the direction of the curl, yes?  Does
> this mean that I must buy the next wider roll, i.e. the 24" wide roll?
>
>             The reason I want to get this right is that, if I must buy a
> roll, I will be making a significant investment in film which I am happy to
> do as long as it will be the RIGHT film.
>
>                                     CHEERS!
>
>                                                 BOB
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:37 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> I agree that Pictorico is the way to go.  I have used it for years and have
> always been happy with the outcome.  SInce Mitsubishi has taken over
> Pictorico, they have also improved the packaging and cut the price, as Chris
> mentioned.
>
>
>
> For the 3800, I would suggest the 17" roll of Premium OHP film.  You can
> easily cut it to any length you want.  The Epson 3800 does not have roll
> feed, but I don't like using roll feed anyway since it wastes too much film.
>  When you cut sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that
> the curl of the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than
> the direction of the print head travel.
>
>
>
> I use the top feed mechanism (the 3800 has three paper feed paths) on the
> 3800 and insert the sheet I have cut so that I can bend the top of the sheet
> in a reverse curl and conveniently "hook it" against the back side of the
> control panel on the printer frame.  This will cause it to feed well, since
> it puts a little tension on the Pictorico feeding into the machine.
>
>
>
> The Premium OHP should be sufficient for most people's use.  The Ultra does
> have a higher base plus fog, so exposure times are longer.  I use the ultra
> when I want to increase the ink load a lot for very dense negatives using
> the Ink Configuration setting (or with some printers this is found under
> Paper Configuration for some odd reason.)  The Ultra will take almost all
> the ink you can put on it with this method without any puddling or running.
>  The Ultra also cures faster and is a bit more scratch resistant (I
> believe.)
>
>
>
> The inks in the new printers such as the 3800 cure faster than the previous
> Epson inks.  One downside is that the black inks do not provide enough
> density with some processes to put a border on the negative that will hide
> brush marks.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
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> phy
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> On May 21, 2008, at 9:47:50 AM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>
> From:
>
> "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com>
>
> Subject:
>
> RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
> Date:
>
> May 21, 2008 9:47:50 AM CDT
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> To:
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> alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>
> DEAR DON, CHRIS, & DIANA,
> Two more questions:
> 1) On the Pictorico web site I see Premium and Ultra Premium. What
> is the difference and which to your recommend.
> 2) As I need to make 16X20 prints I need the 17X22 film but I don't
> see if on the Pictorico site. Am I missing something?
> CHEERS!
> BOB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:32 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I second Don. Pictorico is wonderful. It is now cheaper, too--20 sheets
> for what used to be 15 in a packet of 8.5x11. I just finished a project that
>
> required me to print about 140 negatives and I had nary a problem. And I
> figure at $1 a sheet, that's only $3 per gum print and with all the time I
> put into gum that isn't so big a deal.
>
> Pictorico.com but I think Mitsubishi now owns it or something...
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
>
>> DEAR DON,
>> Thanks for the quick reply! A few questions:
>> 1) Which of the two do you prefer, Pictorio or Inkpress?
>> 2) From which supplier do you prefer to buy the Pictorio?
>> CHEERS!
>> BOB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Bryant [mailto:dsbryant@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM
>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Since price isn't a consideration go for Pictorico OHP. Or you may wish to
>> try Inkpress Transparency:
>>
>> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/press-transparency-film-c-1_753_937_986.html
>>
>> Don Bryant
>>
>>
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